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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: LindyBill who wrote (9744)	2/23/2007 9:50:40 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

I see the downside as the shutdown of Industry. Why is it not the startup of industry? Why should only the Danes make wind generators and get inexpensive power from offshore wind farms? TP

To: LindyBill who wrote (9744)	2/24/2007 8:00:47 AM
From: Ron	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

"The people involved want to turn off electrical power. " Care to back up that remark? That's a glittering generality right out of Propaganda 101.

To: LindyBill who wrote (9744)	2/24/2007 9:59:35 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 36921

"I see the downside as the shutdown of .involved want to turn off electrical power" Oh, stop the bullshit. Nobody want to turn of the juice. It's the juice that is gonna get us thru this. PEHV, electric rail etc.

To: LindyBill who wrote (9744)	2/24/2007 11:22:10 AM
From: Wharf Rat	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36921

Lead, follow, or get run over. British Columbia and the Climate Race Sarah Rich February 23, 2007 4:20 AM Up and down the west coast, state and local governments are trying to out-green one another. It's well known that Schwarzenegger has been hard at work cutting and capping California's emissions like the mighty Governator that he is. Meanwhile, Oregon's Governor Kulongoski has announced intentions to tackle the emissions problem by bolstering the state's renewable energy policy and industry. A little farther north, Washington's Gov. Christine Gregoire just signed an executive order committing Washington to reducing emissions levels to those of 1990 by the year 2020. This, of course, is on par with Schwarzenegger's goals, and many are calling it good but not good enough. One of those would be British Columbia's Premier, Gordon Campbell, who (alongside Lieutenant-Governor Iona Campagnolo) outdid all of his west coast counterparts south of the border in the recent Speech from the Throne, in which the Liberal government introduced a 23-point plan for fighting global warming. They intend to bring emissions down to 10% below 1990 levels by 2020, to institute auto emissions regulations and carbon sequestration mandates for coal-fired power plants. As our friends at the keen-sighted Sightline Institute put it, BC appears to have taken each step of California's plan and pushed it up a notch. According to The Globe and Mail: Other green measures included commitments to require all B.C.-produced electricity to have net-zero greenhouse-gas emissions by 2016, a goal described as unprecedented in North America; reduce emissions from the oil and gas industry to 2000 levels by 2016; and establish a hydrogen highway to run from Whistler to San Diego by 2010. None of these gubernatorial proclamations was received without some grumbling and criticism, though. The Globe and Mail reported that Campbell is known for grabbing hold of the issue of the day and lacking follow-through on his announced intentions. Sightline bemoaned the slow approach Gregoire seemed to be taking, a sentiment that was met by other Washington publications who wondered why action wouldn't be immediate on a very immediate problem. But the internal quibbling doesn't eclipse the fact that the whole coast is raising the bar on building local capacity to combat a challenge toward which larger governing bodies have been slow to step up. In the climate change game, a little competition can get more done than good intentions. What's more, the competitive landscape that's truly important is not that of the West Coast today, but that which is emerging globally in the near future. The future will be carbon-restricted, and those companies and countries which move quickly now towards climate-friendliness are going to find themselves with a distinct competitive advantage in the near future. State and provincial climate change policies are not just ethically correct -- they're good economic policy. worldchanging.com