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Politics : Foreign Affairs Discussion Group -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (221359)	2/27/2007 1:26:57 AM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You know, just because I couldn't google up the totals in the first five minutes is hardly proof that nothing happened. You know, when I post numbers that have meaning I make sure that the numbers are correct. What did you do to make sure that your claim that we should have stayed involved in Vietnam because "millions" of people died when we left, was accurate? Why don't you simply admit that you had no basis for parading such figures. And when you've done that why don't you take an objective look at what was happening when we were there and contrast that to what actually happened when we left? That's the process through which intelligent decisions are made. If you do that you may, of course, have to conclude that our leaving, on a relative basis, was good for us, good for them and good for the world. And then maybe you can start the process of weaning yourself from some of the most outlandish spin spewed forth by the right wing talk show screamers. Ed

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (221359)	2/27/2007 2:25:11 AM
From: Ilaine	Respond to of 281500

Interestingly, 170 million people were murdered by totalitarian and authoritarian regimes in the 20th century. 55 million of those were killed by the USSR, over 71 years. 2 million by the Khmer Rouge, over 4 years. The Vietnamese are credited in one source with killing less than half a million "boat people." Source: Power, Genocide and Mass Murder, Rudolph J. Rummel, Journal of Peace Research Vol. 31, No. 1 (Feb., 1994), pp. 1-10 Other sources estimate as many as one million Vietnamese killed after the fall of South Vietnam. vietka.com But these guys you're trying to talk to don't give a flip about any of these deaths, not even one of them, much less 100,000 or 1,000,000. I think communists and totalitarians get a "pass" because they're birds of a feather.