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To: Elroy who wrote (221978)	3/2/2007 5:23:57 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

I don't think anybody minds if the Jews all live in one place. Go ahead. All else being equal, why should anyone care? In the case of Israel, people object to it primarily because there were plenty of non-Jews that were negatively affected by its creation in 1948, there are negatively affected by its current actions today, and they are attempting to claim Jerusalem, among the most multi-national places on the planet, as part of a Jewish homeland. This would be as opposed to all those other nationalisms which took place in perfectly mono-ethnic or empty countries, where nobody was affected. Please name one. Please do not be so silly as to suggest that people actually care about the woes of the Palestinians because of human rights. They don't shed a tear for the Tibetans, who have suffered 1000s of times more. They don't give a damn about the thousands of Iraqis dying in suicide bombings. The sufferings of the Pals are almost besides the point. It's the usefulness of the Israelis as a scapegoat and diversion. Every place on earth has been fought over and changed hands hundreds of times. Every place. It's only for Israel that it's an unforgivable sin. Like claiming Jerusalem as part of a Jewish homeland - Jerusalem, the central sacred city of Judaism, which has had a Jewish plurality or majority for centuries! You think the Jews just arrived? The Arabs keep saying so, but they are making it up. And the Israelis did not drive the Arabs out or destroy the Dome of the Rock, which trust me, is what the Arabs would have done had the shoe been on the other foot. Over 750,000 Jews were expelled from Arab lands, now you won't find more than a handful except in Tunisia and Morocco. But for Arabs to ethnically clear Jews is just fine, nobody minds a bit. It is opposed by objective observers because the people who are not members of the secessionist group are disadvantaged. And if the would-be secessionists had been universally treated as third class citizens, subject to arbitrary rape and pillage, would it make a difference to you? More importantly, if they were not just a new religion, but an old nation, would it make a difference to you? You seem to have real problems with the concept of the Jewish people. The Israelis foolishly decided to displace a group that isn't going to fade away because there are a billion of them. At the time nobody thought the Arabs were going to be this stupid. Educated Arabs and Arabists welcomed the Zionists because Palestine was so backward and the Jews, they thought, would teach modernity to the Arabs. Lawrence of Arabia was pro-Zionist. Arab cultural incompetence and self-pitying victimhood was not written in stone, you know. They too made their choices. There are a billion Indians too. Are they focusing their existence on destroying Pakistan? And don't tell me nobody was displaced in THAT national creation! Objection to Israel is no more anti-Jewish than the idea of objection to Utah seceding No dice. The mormons are not a nation, they are just a strange religion. Israel is a nation. They have proved it - they had the idea, they built it and they defended it.