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To: Ilaine who wrote (222331)	3/4/2007 1:11:31 AM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>> I don't mean to argue that Hitler was anything like Cromwell or Andrew Jackson, only that their followers had similar motivations, a fear of the unknown and a desire for stability. Isn't "fear of the unknown and a desire for stability" the main driver behind all conservative movements? >> no criticism I can level compares with the ramifications of the hostile interrogation I got from Sun Tzu last week Do you really see it that way, or are you just having fun with melodrama? I asked you a simple and logical question to see your perspective. You could have simply answered that you make a leap of faith, or whatever is the case for you.

To: Ilaine who wrote (222331)	3/4/2007 1:23:41 AM
From: Katelew	Respond to of 281500

Sheesh, Ilaine, you could be describing this Republican administration in much of what you said.

To: Ilaine who wrote (222331)	3/4/2007 1:34:38 AM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Re Fascism.....this is a part of Mussolini's own definition of fascism.......sounds rather Republican, don't you think? Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death.... fordham.edu

To: Ilaine who wrote (222331)	3/4/2007 3:33:06 PM
From: SARMAN	Respond to of 281500

And if Islam has no human error, no dissent is, ipso facto, tolerable. You got that right. If you follow Jesus teaching, you would be a better person. Do not have betray Jesus, follow his teachings. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"

To: Ilaine who wrote (222331)	3/4/2007 4:00:50 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

You have an interesting filter for being an obviously well qualified historian. I don't hold Christianity to blame nor do I blame Catholic religious people who were not directly involved for the following: "Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children! In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan friar - orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns, alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them." A.Manhattan, The Vatican's Holocaust, Springfield 1986. See also V.Dedijer, The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Buffalo NY, 1992.