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To: epicure who wrote (223128)	3/8/2007 11:57:53 AM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Just looked at the Post article. Found this quote: But L. Brent Bozell, president of the conservative Media Research Center, heard it differently. "Bill Maher is a vile and repugnant human being," he told us. "Anyone who wishes for the death of the vice president in a time of war is, at best, a very sick puppy." So, according to Bozell, it seems to be OK to wish for the death of the vice president when we are not in a "time of war." A thoughtful guy, believes in freedom, I guess, when there is no war.

To: epicure who wrote (223128)	3/8/2007 12:16:27 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Yep. That's the most common form of strawman argument. You state a false premise then proceed to rebut it. It's a time honored rhetorical tactic that all groups of people use.....and often use quite innocently. IMO, right-wing pundits often take it to a level of absurdity......stating a premise that is nonsensical or outrageous. I agree that the Mahar situation is an example of it, but I don't like the statement itself. Mahar can be very very witty but often descends to the level of an Ann Coulter and will make a statement so inflammatory it's counterproductive.

To: epicure who wrote (223128)	3/8/2007 12:23:45 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Ik, re: "and even when there is clear evidence that the made up stuff is crap, it never sinks in." Most of them listen to the right wing talk guys who've made an art out of creating straw men. When challenged, they rub their hands together and gleefully proclaim that no one's provided proof that they're wrong. It's tough to prove a negative, of course, especially to someone determined to weigh the evidence using a "beyond any reasonable doubt" standard. A disturbing number of them were once knee-jerk liberals and, like the Southern Democrats of the 60s, progressive thinkers should be very grateful that they've flipped. Ed