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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (223397)	3/9/2007 2:38:40 PM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

If the media paints a picture that is falsely negative, it can cause the democracy to give up and lose without need. Did Israel bomb Lebanon? Yes or No Did Israel flatten Souther part of Beirut? Yes or No Did Israel drop cluster bomb? Yes or No Did Israel kill more that one thousand people? Yes or No Did Israel cause an environmental disaster by bombing fuel tanks? Yes or No Did Israel kill innocent children? Yes or NO It is hugely useful for propaganda. It is an enormous weapon in the media war. Did you the Israeli government spokes woman interviewed on the BBC with a bombed building in the background? The woman was almost in tears about the living being hit. The propaganda goes both ways. Have you forgotten what AIPAC is all about? war-mongering Israel is just blasting all those innocent Lebanese over the border for no reason, this is obviously a huge diplomatic blow for Israel and any other country allied with her. You are correct, "War-mongering Israel was just blasting all those innocent Lebanese over the border for no reason", where are the two soldiers? Remember the non-existant "massacre in Jenin"? Don't you think most of the world believes Israel has committed massacres in the West Bank? Lucky for Israel there were no cameras running. Bad luck for Israel in Lebanon the cameras were on full throttle. You can not hid the truth of what Israel did in Lebanon.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (223397)	3/9/2007 2:53:44 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

>> Remember the non-existant "massacre in Jenin"? Is that so? "non-existant", you say. The I assume the UN fact finding missions was all wrong. And your proof for this is the same BIASED BBC that published British military "expert" David Holley's own fact finding report. Yes Mr. Holley disputed that Jenin was a massacre because the death toll and the level of atrocities did not meet his high standards. BUT WHAT ELSE DID HOLLEY FIND? Here is what he said: >> So what leads you to the conclusion that there was no massacre? "I think massacre is a word that is too often used in these sorts of situations and it doesn't really help. "What we have got here is possibly 54 bodies found so far, with possibly 20 or 30 unaccounted for but we can't really verify these figures until the whole site is cleared. "Talking to people and talking to witnesses, even very credible witnesses, it just appears there was no wholesale killing. >> What about signs of war crimes? " Water and electricity was cut off to the town. That is a fact, it cannot be denied, and that is a crime " "The hard fact is that water and electricity were cut off to the town. That cannot be denied and that is a crime. "Another fact is that for nine days no wounded were taken to the hospital, the Israelis blocked it. "That is a fact, that is a war crime. You cannot stop medical services from administering to the wounded. These are facts we have at the moment that cannot be disputed and need to be investigated. "Then we have testimonies from witnesses. "There is no hard evidence, there is no footage for instance, yet. But some very credible witnesses have come forward who have told stories of how they have seen executions. "They have seen snipers cutting people down in the streets with clear views of civilians trying to get away from the fighting. These are individual killings that need to be investigated."

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (223397)	3/9/2007 5:50:04 PM
From: Katelew	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

There's no doubt that the media shapes the debate, and depending on your personal bias at the time, most of us will get ticked off by it at one time or another. Especially with important state and federal elections. But since the media itself is split right and left, I don't think the media could ever make us lose a war. Eventually the facts on the ground emerge, and the two sides debate the future course of action. Why hasn't right-wing media been able to keep the public behind the war?