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To: Sully- who wrote (55778)3/12/2007 4:12:14 PM
From: TimF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
Message 23361979



To: Sully- who wrote (55778)3/12/2007 4:55:37 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
Reagan didn't do anything about abortion, did he?

He opposed it which doesn't mean much - the only way a President can affect abortion is through the Supreme Court justices he appoints. He tried to put justices on the SC who might overturn Roe. But some of his nominees turned out to be less conservative than he thought. So Roe wasn't overturned.

Even had Roe been overturned, the issue would simply have gone to the state legislatures and some of the largest states (NY, CA) would surely allow abortion so the overall number of abortions in the country might not go down much at all.

The sentence about Reagan is thus stupid on two levels. First, its stupid to blame preventing abortion for child beatings, rapes, neglect, etc. Second its stupid to blame a President for preventing abortions when he didn't actually succeed in reducing abortions.

This site shows the number of abortions in the US peaked about 1990 (after growing through the Reagan years), declined slightly in the first half of the 1990's, then dropped sharply in the late 1990's.
cdc.gov

Part of the decline might not be real. A few states stopped reporting abortion statistics in the late '90's - one was California, the biggest state for abortions.



To: Sully- who wrote (55778)3/12/2007 5:47:18 PM
From: Lazarus_Long  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 90947
 
Thank God to folks like X think I'm a hate filled, blood thirsty, warmongering, knuckle dragging Neanderthal. I'd hate to ever have her think good of me when you see the world through her eyes.
I understand the feeling. If she ever said anything good about me, I'd have to consider suicide. :-)



To: Sully- who wrote (55778)3/12/2007 11:01:53 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
Enlightened folks know abortion is a good thing because it kills off all the neglected, raped children and future criminals before they get a chance to be neglectedand raped or turn criminal. Course not every abortion is a future criminal or neglect or rape victim but some of 'em would have been so its really for the best.

But opposing abortion is bad, because that means you are responsible for children being neglected, raped and growing up to be criminals instead of being killed before birth when they couldn't hurt anyone else.

And Saddam was a force for good too or for stability which is the same thing. He prevented civil war by brutally killing and torturing lots of people. Sort of like how abortion holds down crime and child neglect and rape. Of course the people who wanted Saddam removed are bad and are now reponsbible for every act of violence which occurs in Iraq from now to eternity.

The USSR was another force for good/stability. Everything was so orderly with a brutal iron government with secret police and a gulag of prisons to send troublemakers to. Mean old Ronald Reagan had something to do with the end of that good thing and we shouldn't forgive him for that.

What strange values some people have.