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To: Katelew who wrote (223829)	3/12/2007 10:08:36 PM
From: Sultan	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

My impression is for a while US policy was a bit more even handed.. Israel was not supported in expansion into US and Palestinians were pushed around a bit to compromise.. Then Bush Senior actually tried to force Israel to back off on couple of issues if I recall and for his trouble 'The Lobby' turned against him and before you could say compromise, he was out.. The Lobby's power was not lost on either Clinton and Bush Jr. who went all out for Israel's positions in all things.. No more middle of the road 'deal maker'.. Sharon was all of a sudden a great peace maker (if I remember that is what Bush called him) and everything that had happened before was all of a sudden of no concer.. All of this and a lot more is all available online some where for any one who cares to dig it up..

To: Katelew who wrote (223829)	3/12/2007 10:13:54 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

Our history with Israel has and continues to shape foreign policy decisions that should be made only on the basis of what's best for the US. Our alliance, yes, alliance, with the Saudis is far more influential of our foreign policy than our alliance with Israel could ever hope to be because it is based on oil. The Saudis support extremist madrassas, export Islamic fundamentalism, support terrorism through private funding, and otherwise act in a manner fundamentally inimical to our interests. Yet, we support them because we need them. How exactly has supporting Israel hurt us? Do you honestly think that ceasing that support would somehow result in a peaceful Mideast? France, no friend of Israel, a country its foreign minister has described as "a shitty little country", barely thwarted a 9/11 style assault on the Eiffel Tower. Not supporting Israel, and even actively working against it as France has done, does not innoculate a country from the Muslim fundamentalist rot.