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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (223856)	3/13/2007 12:32:14 AM
From: bentway	Respond to of 281500

In Gulf War I, we had to BEG Israel to stay out of it. Now, tell me how VALUABLE Israel is as a ME ally? LOL!

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (223856)	3/13/2007 12:37:05 AM
From: kumar	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

if Israel has (and I do not underestimate the capabilities of Mossad) great intelligence capabilities, where are the 2 kidnapped soldiers, and how come the intelligence has not been able to rescue them even after a war ?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (223856)	3/13/2007 1:04:01 AM
From: geode00	Respond to of 281500

"Name another Mideast ally that could substitute, if Israel weren't there." Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and, oh yes, that peaceful pro-USA country called Iraq aka our 51st state. Syria helped a great deal countering terrorism after 911. I think they're also a destination country for torture holidays. Plus they've taken in the lion's share of Iraqi refugees displaced by, who was it....oh yes, us. Jordan is an ally aren't they? They seem like it most of the time. The former queen was an American even. Saudi Arabia is the President of the USA's best buds. What are you talking about? There are plenty of 'allies' in the MiddleEast. I don't know what Egypt's up to but they aren't fighting us. Turkey is pretty friendly...up to a point and they are a democracy. Then there is the independent country of Kurdistan. Besides, with Iraq now a 'glowing democracy' Israel is no longer able to say they are the only democracy in the region. HA! Take that and smoke it LOL.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (223856)	3/13/2007 1:04:36 AM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The biggest practical use the US has had from Israel in recent years is good intelligence Is it the intelligence that informed the US about 9/11? Is it the intelligence that informed the US about WMDs in Iraq? You must be joking, are you?

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (223856)	3/13/2007 2:24:29 PM
From: Sun Tzu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

>> The biggest practical use the US has had from Israel in recent years is good intelligence So let me get this straight. The biggest use is for Israel telling us about their enemies so we can kill and capture them? Or do they also help us where it is against their own interests? >> new tested weapons systems (would the US ever have adopted UAVs if Israel hadn't proved their utitlity first Is there a reason to believe that the US could not have bought such technology from Israel or others? We are already spending more money on war machinery than all the rest of the world combined. Is it really a big benefit to have more tactical equipment? >> one ally that is not continually double-dealing us, and not one bullet away from switching sides. You think? How about these headlines: FBI Probes Pentagon Spy Case CBS News has learned that the FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to -- in FBI terminology -- "roll up" someone agents believe has been spying not for an enemy, but for Israel from within the office of the Secretary of Defense at the Pentagon. 60 Minutes Correspondent Lesley Stahl reports the FBI believes it has "solid" evidence that the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified materials that include secret White House policy deliberations on Iran... cbsnews.com ____________________ Israel, Iran Trade Threats As FBI Investigates Spying U.S. Ally Said to Have Received Documents on Tehran By Molly Moore and John Ward Anderson Washington Post Foreign Service Monday, August 30, 2004; Page A18 JERUSALEM, Aug. 29 -- Israel and Iran traded significantly escalated threats of military attacks in recent months as the FBI investigated allegations that a Pentagon official passed secret U.S. policy information about Iran to Israeli authorities... ___________________ Larry Franklin Gets 12 Years For Spying For Israel A veteran Pentagon analyst who admitted using his Defense Department position to illegally disclose classified information to officials of an influential pro-Israeli lobbying group was sentenced yesterday in federal court to 12 1/2 years in prison. Lawrence A. Franklin, 59, was named in a six-count grand jury indictment handed up in May in U.S. District Court in Alexandria. He was accused of disclosing the information to two officials at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). He pleaded guilty to the charges in October. Franklin is going to get a chance to reduce his sentence by tattling big time on accused co-conspirators and former AIPAC employees Steven J. Rosen and Keith Weissman. Franklin is smaller fish compared to Rosen and Weissman... _____________________ Israel To US: Release Jonathan Pollard In an editorial which appeared in today's Jerusalem Post, the Post argues for the release of Jonathan Pollard. The Israel News Agency fully supports the ... www.israelnewsagency.com/jonathanpollardjposteditorialterrorismmossad4844101006.html Jonathan Jay Pollard (born August 7, 1954 in South Bend, Indiana) is a convicted Israeli spy and a former United States Naval civilian intelligence analyst. Pollard waived the right to trial in return for restrictions on sentencing, pleaded guilty and was convicted on one count of spying for Israel,[1] receiving a life sentence in 1986 with a recommendation against parole. Israel publicly denied that Pollard was an Israeli spy until 1998, when he was granted Israeli citizenship. [2] en.wikipedia.org ___________________________ US arrests 200 young Israelis in spying investigation By Ben Fenton in Washington Last Updated: 11:53pm GMT 06/03/2002 UP to 200 young Israelis, some of them former members of military intelligence units, have been arrested in America in the past year, a leaked government report disclosed yesterday. Some had used cover stories to gain access to sensitive government buildings and the homes of American officials. The report said the actions of some of the Israelis, most of whom had outstayed tourist visas, "may well be an organised intelligence-gathering activity". None of the Israelis, about 140 of whom are believed to have been detained before the September 11 attacks, has been charged and most have been deported, according to the US government. telegraph.co.uk