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To: Road Walker who wrote (329778)3/21/2007 9:39:54 PM
From: Tenchusatsu  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1576238
 
JF, > He had the terminator on... and Arnold ripped him to death. Something about compromise and getting stuff accomplished vs. ideological idiots.

I just read the transcript. Arnold pretty much out-muscled Rush, even with some rather flawed arguments.

Had this been anyone else, Rush would have torn him a new bunghole. But I guess that's the strength of the Arnold personna.

Tenchusatsu



To: Road Walker who wrote (329778)3/21/2007 10:01:05 PM
From: combjelly  Respond to of 1576238
 
"Something about compromise and getting stuff accomplished vs. ideological idiots."

Never paid much attention to him. But, that is the sort of stuff I like to hear...



To: Road Walker who wrote (329778)3/22/2007 1:01:08 AM
From: RMF  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1576238
 
I remember seeing Rush on "Nightline" once and he seemed scared to death of Koppel.

I used to listen to his program once in a while and I noticed how the people they allowed on the line to disagree with him were not exactly Rhodes Scholars. When someone actually bright got through that wanted to debate him he would say, "You're not talking about the things that you told us you wanted to talk about." "We'll have to let you go."

When they busted him on the drug charge he said he was JUST an entertainer, nothing more. He was right.



To: Road Walker who wrote (329778)3/24/2007 1:17:02 PM
From: tejek  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1576238
 
You should have listen to Rush today. He had the terminator on... and Arnold ripped him to death. Something about compromise and getting stuff accomplished vs. ideological idiots.

It was amusing. Rush makes a big mistake when he has an opponent on. He's OK with dittoheads... up against anyone else he looks like what he is.


Rush must have thought Arnold was a friend; otherwise he wouldn't have had them on. The conservative pundits are really taking it in the butt these days. Bill O'Reilly has been on a few shows where he has been pummeled. For an example, Letterman reamed him a new butthole........strangely enough, O'Reilly seem to like it. Nonetheless, their ratings are only slightly damaged. The core continues to be loyal.



To: Road Walker who wrote (329778)3/24/2007 1:47:48 PM
From: tejek  Respond to of 1576238
 
Its really important to parse this article in order to extract its true meaning.

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Gonzales Met With Advisers on Dismissals

By DAVID JOHNSTON and ERIC LIPTON
Published: March 24, 2007
WASHINGTON, March 23 — Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales and senior advisers discussed the plan to remove seven United States attorneys at a meeting last Nov. 27, 10 days before the dismissals were carried out, according to a Justice Department calendar entry disclosed Friday.

The previously undisclosed meeting appeared to contradict Mr. Gonzales’s previous statements about his knowledge of the dismissals.

EDIT.Gonzales has been lying his butt off. We knew it but couldn't find any evidence on which to hang him. Now we have.

He said at a news conference on March 13 that he had not participated in any discussions about the removals, but knew in general that his aides were working on personnel changes involving United States attorneys.

Tasia Scolinos, a Justice Department spokeswoman, told reporters on Friday evening that Mr. Gonzales’s attendance at the hourlong meeting was not inconsistent with his past remarks.

“He tasked his chief of staff to carry this plan forward,” Ms. Scolinos said. “He did not participate in the selection of the U.S. attorneys to be fired. He did sign off on the final list.”


EDIT.Ugh! This is tricky....let me see if I can find a way to make my boss look innocent even when he is guilty.

Ms. Scolinos said the meeting was in Mr. Gonzales’s conference room at the Justice Department. The meeting focused on “rollout” of the dismissals, she said, and from available records was not a meeting in which a final target list was determined.

Another department official said that Mr. Gonzales did not recall the meeting and that his aides had been unable to determine whether he approved the dismissal plan then.

EDIT.I've got it.......I'll tell them Gonzales forgot about that meeting. Everyone knows what a bad memory Gonzales has.......damn, just last week he forgot it was my birthday.

The meeting took place as Mr. Gonzales’s aides awaited final White House approval of a detailed dismissal plan that had been drafted by D. Kyle Sampson, Mr. Gonzales’s chief of staff. His plan was sent to the White House on Nov. 15, according to previously released e-mail. Harriet E. Miers, the White House counsel at the time, approved Mr. Sampson’s proposal on Dec. 4, and the dismissals were carried out three days later.

EDIT.In other words, this was all Karl Rove's idea.

The calendar entry was among more than 280 pages of Justice Department documents released Friday night and immediately provoked further criticism of Mr. Gonzales in Congress, where the Senate and House Judiciary Committees have authorized subpoenas for sworn public testimony of presidential aides and senior department officials.

EDIT.We'll keep digging until we find something to hang Gonzales good and force his resignation.

Senator Charles E. Schumer, the New York Democrat who has led the Congressional investigation into the dismissals, said, “If the facts bear out that the attorney general knew much more than he admitted, he simply cannot continue as the attorney general.”

EDIT.Gonzales is history.

Mr. Sampson, who played a central role in the dismissals, has agreed to testify next week before the Senate Judiciary Committee. He resigned this month because of what he later said was a failure to prepare Mr. Gonzales for questions about the ousters.

EDIT.In other words, Mr Sampson failed to complete his job of deleting all damaging emails and shredding any damaging documentation. Bub-bye!

In another development, Brian Roehrkasse, a Justice Department spokesman, said Friday that the department would begin an internal review of the conduct of lawyers involved in the dismissals. The inquiry will be conducted jointly by the inspector general, Glenn Fine, and the Office of Professional Responsibility, a department watchdog unit.

EDIT.Oops! Time to cover our asses.

The dismissals have created the gravest crisis of Mr. Gonzales’s time in office, with calls for his ouster from Republicans and Democrats, even as President Bush has offered the attorney general his firm public support.

EDIT.Its imperative that Mr. Bush's good guy/loyal-to-a-fault image be preserved. After all, Gonzales didn't commit a crime.....he just was sloppy completing one of Rove's edicts. You know those Hispanics.

Mr. Gonzales has sent reassuring signals to the ranks of prosecutors, but the strength of his support within the Justice Department is difficult to gauge.

EDIT.Mr. Gonzales strength is ebbing faster than rats leaving a sinking ship.......so its pretend/fantasy time.

Department officials said there had not been an intentional effort to delay the release of the new material.

EDIT. Really! [snicker,snicker] We have done nothing to withhold the truth from the public. [cough, cough]

Instead, they said, the e-mail messages were overlooked in past searches of office files and computers. Many, they said, were copies of e-mail that had already been disclosed. The latest batch of documents shows just how completely the department misjudged what the reaction would be to the dismissals.

EDIT.in other words, we thought we were above the law.

“I think most of them will resign quietly,” said Ms. Scolinos, the department’s chief spokeswoman, in a Nov. 17 e-mail message, a few weeks before the dismissals. “It’s only six U.S. attorneys (there are 94) and they don’t get anything out of making it public they were asked to leave in terms of future job prospects. I don’t see it as being a national story — especially if it phases in over a few months.”

EDIT.Hell, what do I know.....I'm just a press secretary.

Speaking with reporters on Friday evening, Ms. Scolinos said that when she sent that message she had only a fragmentary understanding of the plan to dismiss the prosecutors.

EDIT.Hell, what do I know......I'm just a press secretary.

At a news conference this month, Mr. Gonzales was repeatedly questioned about the extent of his participation in the ousters. He said he was aware that his staff had been evaluating the performance of different prosecutors, but on several occasions he said that it was not a matter that he had been following closely.

EDIT.Sorry, dudes, but I ain't talking. You'll never get an admission out of me.

“So far as I knew, my chief of staff was involved in the process of determining who were the weak performers,” he said. “Where were the districts around the country where we could do better for the people in that district, and that’s what I knew.”

But describing himself like a chief executive of a major corporation, he said he was not involved in the details of the performance review effort.


EDIT.Even though I am the boss, I don't tell my staff what to do. Back in college, I learned to......delegate, delegate, delegate. That's why they pay me the big bucks.

“That is in essence what I knew about the process; was not involved in seeing any memos, was not involved in any discussions about what was going on,” he said. “That’s basically what I knew as the attorney general.”

EDIT.If you want, I will fire those bastards asap. How dare they do stuff like this without checking with me.

Reporters expressed disbelief that as the department’s top official, he would not be closely monitoring such an important matter, and pressed Mr. Gonzales again to describe his involvement in the effort.

EDIT.The reporters know a liar when they see one.

“Many decisions are delegated,” he said. “We have people who were confirmed by the Senate who, by statute, have been delegated authority to make decisions.”

Mr. Gonzales then repeated: “I never saw documents. We never had a discussion about where things stood. What I knew was that there was ongoing effort that was led by Mr. Sampson, vetted through the Department of Justice, to ascertain where we could make improvements in U.S. attorney performances around the country.”


EDIT.I never kissed that woman.

The latest e-mail shows preparations for the Nov. 27 meeting at 9 a.m. to discuss “U.S. Attorney Appointments.”

Department officials said that the participants at the only formal meeting known to have been held to discuss the firings included Mr. Gonzales; Paul J. McNulty, the deputy attorney general; Mr. Sampson; Monica Goodling, the department liaison to the White House; William Moschella, the assistant attorney general for legislative affairs; and Michael A. Battle, then head of the Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys. Mr. Battle has since resigned, and Ms. Goodling has taken a temporary leave of absence.


EDIT. Two down, four to go.

nytimes.com