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To: neolib who wrote (225272)	3/27/2007 11:01:33 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

"The real question is can one learn anything from Southern Africa ... I learned a lot watching 'Blood Diamond' last weekend. Can you tell me how representative that story is to actual culture in the region?

To: neolib who wrote (225272)	3/27/2007 2:36:29 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

There are of course significant differences like 1) Ancient historical ties in Israel, lacking in Rhodesia, 2) Demographics in Israel about one order of magnitude better (50% Jews vs 5% whites) and 3) the external issues motivating a Jewish state following WWII whereas the British didn't really need another country. You forgot 4) full Israeli citizenship rights given to minority Arabs and Druze. That never happened in South Africa or Rhodesia. BTW, current demographics inside Israel are 80% Jews, 20% Arab and others. Including the territories, about 60% Jew, 40% Arab and others. There is good cause to think that many of the demographic numbers the Pals put out have been much inflated (it helps the cause & UNWRA pays "refugees" per head) You are confusing the ambiguous status of the territories, which have not had an internationally recognized owner since the Brits left, with the running of the Israeli state. The Israelis wound up with the West Bank and Gaza very suddenly in the course of the Six Day War. Had the Arabs been willing to negotiate, the Israelis would have gladly given them back for peace. But the Arabs came back with the 3 no's of the Khartoum conference: No recognition, no negotiation, no peace.