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To: 8bits who wrote (16410)	4/3/2007 3:46:02 PM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 219782

I don't suppose any of the victims ever made an effort to obtain an "extra-judicial" settlement, monetary or otherwise ? Maybe not a good idea if you still lived in Mexico.

To: 8bits who wrote (16410)	4/3/2007 5:43:57 PM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 219782

8bits, Every place I have seen outside the US and the rest of the developed world works more or less like Elmat says, by the "law of the land". I have lived in such places and it sure worked that way where I was. In fact, not long ago, in most of the US things were pretty much that way, with a powerful vigilante network that kept the peace in an extrajudicial manner. It is a pretty good system, really. It keeps order while at the same time allowing a maximum amount of personal freedom, balanced with the needs of the local people in terms of social and economic justice. It ensures that no outsider can come there and wreck things for the locals, and it does so without the burden of an oppressive government meddeling. There may be excesses and an occasional innocent victim, like the Swiss family may have been, but it mostly works very well, from what I have seen. If you want to live in such a place you need to be extremely proactive in terms of not just "getting along" with the locals but you need to try to make sure that you and your family are completely accepted and that your presence is beneficial to your neighbors. To go to such a place and just "ignore" the locals, would be very, very dangerous in most places. This ain't Montana or Maryland. There may be special local circumstances, in one place I lived I had to pay a small amount of "Revolutionary Taxes" to the local bandit gang. And you always have to very intuitive and be careful not to get into the middle of a local dispute and try very hard to cultivate friendships with people who are connected to the local gentry. City barrios work pretty much the same way. In other words, a contract or land deed in one of these places is worth absolutely nothing, by itself. Many years ago I knew a California guy who had moved to the Philippines and married a local gal. She was from the north of Mindanao, in the mountains just to the east of Panguil Bay, across the bay from where we lived. In those mountains are some small seams of soft coal that the locals have been mining there in a very primitive sort of way for ages, transporting the stuff down the mountian by water buffalo. The American thought this place worked like the US. He went to Manila and got "mining permits", bought some property in wifeys name, bought a second hand backhoe and started digging up the place. Pretty soon he had all sorts of problems with his neighbors, thinking that he could behave here like the place was California. He received warnings, to stop doing certain things or he would regret it. He didn't listen and they snatched him one night and he just disappeared, never to be heard from again. No doubt he was taken out in the Bohol Sea and fed to the sharks. It is not that those places are lawless, quite the contrary. It is just a different sort of law. Slagle