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To: lazarre who wrote (226543)	4/9/2007 11:43:12 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I considered it and found it to be bigoted propaganda. Not much to debate.

To: lazarre who wrote (226543)	4/9/2007 11:58:47 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Being an American patriot doesn't have a religious component. As it says in another religious book- render unto Caesar (synoptic Gospels- attributed to Jesus) As I understand the religion of Mohammed - there are 3 tracks- and one of them is completely compatible with being a US patriot. That is the path that takes the view that Jesus took- that the state has nothing to do with religion. I do not think Christians are allowed to have allegiance to anything above God. Is not God number one? I don't think you are even allowed a number two- are you? Would that not be a false idol? Is any other religion "accepted" in Christianity? I don't think so. Even among Christians there is no acceptance. If you haven't accepted Jesus as your personal savior, you're in deep doo doo according to the evangelicals- so they aren't really "accepting" the good Catholics. The allegiance of a christian is to the holy word, is it not? (Not that, I agree, many act like it.) I imagine the same is true for those who follow the pillars of Islam- though I do NOT claim to know the hypocrisy rates for the various religions (would be interesting though.) Allegiance to Mecca? That's written by someone ignorant of Islam. As I understand it, Mecca is where the main house of God is. To say the Muslim owes "allegiance" to it, is to say the Christian owes allegiance to the cross he prays to, or the church where the cross is. Sure- it's a religious symbol that focuses prayer, but it doesn't get in the way of belonging to your country. Socially? If you believe this, then you believe the Amish and the Hasids and many other religious communities cannot be "patriots". It is possible to be both a religious person, even a very religious person, and love your country- since in American we have freedom of religion to be whatever we want to be- even insular religious communities are AMerican- even pacifist communities are American ( remember the Quakers). The American constitution is based on biblical principles? oh dear. Well I guess we know where this little screed is coming from. When you come up against this kind of ignorance I'm not sure debate is really possible- but I do repudiate the prejudice and intolerance of what you have posted.