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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (227055)	4/13/2007 8:58:23 PM
From: Garden Rose	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Nadine, your answer was fair, I'm not looking to show isolated examples as what is the norm. Yes, most of Israel is secular but there are certain aspects that are religious, for example, the busses where women are required to sit in the back of the bus due to the Orthodox demands that there be no mixing of the genders sitting together. Another point, England when Henry VIII broke with Rome-- it was a theoracy!!! Henry was head of England and the Church, those that didn't agree were beheaded. As the British matured, then a separation between Church and state occurred. Today England is totally secular, the religion and monarchy are symbolic traditions. Israel is a new country, as time progresses, I believe it will also morph into a totally secular state with less Orthodox influence.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (227055)	4/14/2007 9:42:44 AM
From: Suma	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

PBS had a two segment broadcast, two hours each of Auschwitz which I just watched having TVIO's it this past week.. It was an excellent presentation one of the best I have ever seen. Linda Ellerbee moderated it with some of the things that are being implemented(ongoing) to share some of the realities of the Holocaust with younger children.. Whenever I view programs such as this I always learn new facts and the second segment of this broadcast became somewhat political. It showed that the Allies knew about Auschwitz and two other camps in Poland but did not bomb the railroads that were bringing the Jews and other so called undesirables to the camps. Also, six millions Jews were exterminated and seven thousand political prisoners which consisted of Gypsies and homosexuals. Total thirteen million... What made these two presentations so real were survivors who talked about their experiences as children and how they survived.