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To: Suma who wrote (227126)	4/15/2007 1:20:53 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

To be logical, we couldn't slip back again to that, since the state of Israel did not at the time exist (see link at bottom). But antisemitism does rise and fall (as do other forms of racism). However, I do think it is important to try to disentangle the problems people have with Israel as a state, like any other state, with the problems people have with Israel because Jews live there. If people have a problem with Israel because Jews live there, that is antisemitism. But to call people antisemitic simply because they have a problem with Israel's political decisions and actions is a form of reverse racism or prejudice- in that you essentially make it impossible to criticize Israel because Jews happen to live there. We have seen the same thing in America with black and white relations. When you start to call people with legitimate concerns racists, or antisemites, you will begin to lurch in to counterproductive territory (where, in fact, I would argue we already are). en.wikipedia.org

To: Suma who wrote (227126)	4/15/2007 1:23:49 PM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think that is happening Suma, very unfortunately. All we have to do is see who is saying such terrible things about the Jews, and where those people live. Europe already is filled with people who are anti-Jews.... A friend of mine lives in Rome, and has for many years...very near the Vatican. She is originally from the WA State area. She and her hubby are pretty well connected there, and she is just dismayed at the anti-Jewish sentiment she hears....she's just one example. First it was the Jews...then it became anyone who didn't think like the Nazi's did. Nazism derived from Socialism, and seems to have merged with Socialism today.

To: Suma who wrote (227126)	4/16/2007 6:01:17 AM
From: Elroy	Respond to of 281500

I think it behooves us today to test out our own prejudices and see whether we are slipping back into blame against an entire State of Israel. If you want to assess American prejudice toward Jews, analyze American attitudes toward Jews that live in America. There are plenty of them. As far as I can tell, Americans generally like Jewish Americans. I've never heard a (serious) anti-Jewish remark in my entire life in the USA. if you want to assess Americans prejudice for or against Israelis and Israel, then analyze American attitudes toward Israel. Equating the two is going to produce a fairly useless conclusion.