To: Alighieri who wrote (333946 ) 4/18/2007 5:10:19 PM From: Tenchusatsu Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1571849 Al, > I am not a blind pacifist or against self defense, but even as we engaged in Afghanistan our military often spoke of measured, targeted response, mindful of "collateral damage". "Collateral damage" is unavoidable in a time of war. Retribution was indeed part of the rationale in attacking the Taliban for their support of Osama bin Laden. Keeping the response "measured and targeted" is a responsibility of anyone who has the power. > Truman's reasons for bombing Japanese cities were pragmatic, but if nuking the two cities with indiscriminate weapons is ok with you on the basis of retribution then you have failed your faith and it's presumed teachings in favor of vengeance. The aim was to stop Japan. If Japan had unconditionally surrendered before the nukes were dropped, then there would be no need nor justification for nuking them. Since they didn't until after they were nuked, none of your accusations hold water. You draw all sorts of nuances between "pragmatism" and "retribution", "measured and targeted" vs. "indiscriminate", but in a time of war, more often than not those nuances are meaningless. And that truth doesn't change even with the hindsight of the second-guessers who ignore the direness of the situation, deny that Japan has committed unspeakable horrors, and throw baseless accusations in their ignorance. > By your own posts, the scriptures prescribe that one can sin in one's heart, you have been sinning here like a drunken sailor. I'm illustrating what you're doing, which is judging someone by his own standard. Your standard is obviously lower than mine, and yet you still can't avoid being a hypocrite. Come on, Al, it's not that hard. Look at Larry Flynt. Tenchusatsu