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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (228268)	4/23/2007 11:23:00 AM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 281500

Is keith talking about iraq or vietnam? Folks gotta get real on what american power can accomplish. There comes a time when cutting losses is the best option. If you and keith (and i say this without bad intentions as i was a supporter of this policy and a friend of yours) want to continue iraq, form your own army. We used to have a volunteer army in this country but you know as well as i do its now based on draft principles with our brave soldiers getting far more than they bargained for. 2/3 of iraq is aalvagable and the rest as harry reid says is apparently lost. Let them get on with their three states and their civil war so it can end sooner. American cannot be the worlds policeman in all places at all times. Thats why i asked the question about vietnam because there are still some who refuse to accept the reality of that situation some 30 years post that misguided effort. And many of those folks are the ones who were abused back then by the LBJ admin who later on admitted that they knew early on that it was hopeless.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (228268)	4/23/2007 11:27:07 AM
From: SARMAN	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

The only question is how to make our policy work more effectively. You do not need policies or invasions. Read Rory Steward, look him up. Give the people their basic needs.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (228268)	4/23/2007 2:43:48 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Hawkmoon, re: Every day that we fight more bad people in Iraq, our policy is working. The day that we turn our backs on the violence and walk away from this uncontrollable violence, our policy will be a total failure. The governments in Iraq and Afghanistan need our help to avoid pressure from al quaeda or the taliban. Amen!! The only question is how to make our policy work more effectively. It's been months since you ran off and took your patriot blinded views elsewhere. In the interim hundreds more of our soldiers have gasped their last breath in a country half a world away, hundreds of billions of additional dollars have been sucked down the vortex of Iraq, the army and the national guard have been reduced to paying higher and higher bonuses and reducing moral and intellectual standards for recruits in order to keep a standing army, the soldiers currently serving have had to do double duty in a war zone to keep the war going, the cause of anti Americanism has shown huge gains in support and recruiting, the world has become more and more suspicious and alarmed at U.S. aggressiveness and this country has become more and more divided. And what have you learned? I can't say that you haven't learned anything. In the past I recall that you were pretty dismissive of the prospect of "total failure" but now it appears that you accept the possibility. Still, you "Amen" the statement that "Every day that we fight more bad people in Iraq, our policy is working." and you add that "The only question is how to make our policy work more effectively." Face facts, you thought you were riding Secretariat. Later you suspected you were riding an old donkey. Now you know you're riding a stick horse but you still run around going "neigh, neigh, drum drum drum." It would be funny if it weren't for the tragic costs and the fact that Bush is riding another stick horse in his cowboy hat, new boots, cap gun pistols and getting cheered along by the rest of you stick pony cowboys. Ed