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To: michael97123 who wrote (76)	5/14/2007 10:49:00 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

But i have come to believe that al quaeda is looking to suck us into insolulable conficts in which they can turn the populations against us. So they attack mosques and do sectarian killings and we get blamed by them as the cause. That is their aim but ironically they can't manage in the long run. They are too arrogant and brutal and they turn the local populations against them. In the short run it works, esp. as the BBC and their ilk seem to agree with them, at least on the important point - that the US is to blame, never Al Qaeda. But even AQ can only manage in the short run because of all the Arab/Islamic cultural driver buttons they can push - honor, banding together against the infidel, supporting anybody who claims to be a pure muslim, allowing the "pure muslim" license to kill anybody he declares "apostate", etc, group solidarity above all, etc. And oh yes, expend whatever energy is left over making sure that your women stay pure and under your total control. I swear, if somebody had to devise a masochism package for a culture, he could not do better than the package the Arabs have imposed on themselves. They have shackled themselves hand and foot. No wonder they have to invent lies about why they can't compete.

To: michael97123 who wrote (76)	5/14/2007 1:15:14 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4152

Afghanistan and the Philippines are arguments for a "light footprint" I suppose. Which would imply maybe we should have employed a light footprint in Iraq - though the critics say we didn't employ enough troops there. OTOH, the "surge" policy seems to be turning the Sunni tribes against AQ in Iraq. Course this only happened after the Sunnis realized they'd lose out in a Sunni-Shia civil war.

To: michael97123 who wrote (76)	5/14/2007 4:28:08 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 4152

Michael, But i have come to believe that al quaeda is looking to suck us into insolulable conficts in which they can turn the populations against us. So they achieve this end by bombing and terrorizing fellow Muslims? I don't really see where this is gaining them any traction with any but those Muslims who are already in the edge of waging an Islamic civil, and merely waiting for a reason to act. My view has been that, by waging our war against Al Qai'da amidst their fellow muslims, that they would be forced to use tactics aimed at intimidating other Muslims from opposing them and supporting our efforts for creating reform. And this is a very counter-productive strategy over the long-term. However, if we pull out and leave the people of the region to be victimized and dominated, Jihadist have practical free-rein to target the West and have the "Arab street" applaud their efforts as many did on 9/11. Hawk