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To: michael97123 who wrote (275)5/16/2007 9:40:22 AM
From: jttmabRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 4152
 
It is clear americans have no stomach for long wars where we fight with one hand tied behind our backs.

Which hand is tied? The enemy is somewhere in Afghanistan and Pakistan, and another 50 countries. If that hand was untied would we level 52 countries?

jttmab



To: michael97123 who wrote (275)5/16/2007 9:56:06 AM
From: HawkmoonRead Replies (1) | Respond to of 4152
 
Michael,

I have alwasys considered myself a realist in FP. I believed the wmd story and i also could see the advantage for us if we could help establish a workable non totalitarina regime in iraq.

So you're a Neo-Con, eh? Because the ultimate self-definition of a neo-con is that they are liberals who have been "mugged by reality" (as Nadine pointed out)..

My friend, read this guy's blog. He's a liberal, but he "gets it", from what I've read of him.

engram-backtalk.blogspot.com

My Plan B has as it essential component the defeat of al Qaeda in Iraq. No matter what else happens there, al Qaeda must lose, and they must be perceived as having lost. In that case, they will have forever torpedoed their reputation in the Muslim world (a reputation that is already in the toilet and can only be restored by a perceived victory over America in Iraq). And in the long term, that is what is important. We don't have to "win the hearts and minds" of the Muslim world (a truly dopey idea that holds no appeal whatsoever for me). Instead, terrorism in general and al Qaeda in particular need to lose the support of the Muslim world. Let them hate us. But now that the scourge of terrorism -- which they once admired -- has turned against Muslims in a horrific way in Iraq, let them hate al Qaeda even more. That's all we really need.

And especially pay attention to this story about Harith Al-Dari. This guy was once the spiritual "guru" to the Sunni tribes:

Al-Qaeda has lost its most powerful friend in Iraq: Harith al-Dari, the country's most influential Sunni cleric and a prominent anti-American figure, has rejected al-Qaeda's vision of an Islamic state, telling TIME that Iraqis "will not accept such a system." In a sharp departure from his long-standing view of the terror group, al-Dari now says al-Qaeda has "gone too far." He also repudiates recent statements on Iraq by Osama bin Laden's deputy, saying: "Ayman al-Zawahiri doesn't represent Iraqis."

No, Michael, you read this and tell me it doesn't represent "progress" being made in Iraq. Because I see a whole LOT of progress when a bad dude like Al-Dari throws in the towell. He's so bad that he had to flee the country.

jamestown.org

And given the results of his current statements against Al Qai'da, maybe it wasn't such a bad idea for the Iraqi government to issue an arrest order for him last year:

time.com

Michael, you want reality? Well, there it is.. You're not the only one who's a realist. Harith Al-Dari is becoming a realist as well, as all the Sunni tribes in Al-Anbar.. And THAT'S a major note of progress that the MSM has failed to properly recognize.

Hawk