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To: ExCane who wrote (7641)	5/21/2007 11:44:50 AM
From: Geoff Altman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

That was a good read and deserves reposting.

To: ExCane who wrote (7641)	5/21/2007 6:02:25 PM
From: Proud_Infidel	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 20106

Hats off to my fellow Americans who are standing up to this...... Trenton Mosque Sues To Have Leader Ousted wcbstv.com ^ wcbstv.com (CBS/AP) TRENTON The founders of a Trenton mosque have sued in Superior Court in Mercer County to have their religious leader removed, claiming he is trying to make the congregation more fundamentalist. The suit, filed by the International Muslim Brotherhood Inc., the mosque’s owner, as well as three founding members, claims that Imam Sabur Abdul Hakim has recently adopted stricter views of Islam and is planning to beam in lectures by satellite from a conservative sect in Saudi Arabia. The suit also alleges that Hakim began changing religious practices at the Masjid As-Saffat mosque three years ago and appointed his son-in-law, Shalby Akbar Shalby, as “ameer” last August without an election by the congregants. A message for Hakim’s lawyer, Eric Broadway, was not returned Sunday. The mosque was founded in 1981 by local Muslims and state employees needing a place to pray and was open to all sects. The board of trustees had set in place a practice of selecting a rotating slate of people for the mosque’s weekly Friday sermon. In 2004, Hakim decided that he alone would decide who gave the Friday sermon, the suit alleges, and it’s usually a person who follows a strict doctrine associated with the Wahhabi movement in Saudi Arabia.

To: ExCane who wrote (7641)	5/21/2007 7:53:41 PM
From: lorne	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 20106

ExCane...Although that was a good article I have great difficulty excepting what is said. The writer is directing his article to what appears to be America or North America. There is no mention of places like Indonesia the largest muslim populated country where it appears run of the mill muslims are ridding the country of christians in any way they can including murder. Or maybe Pakistan where it appears that all of the muslims are radical and what of the moderate muslims that rioted in France last year and still doing the same today. It just appears to me that the so called moderate muslims are anything but moderate. From the article...."Only anti-Islamists Muslims can de-ummahtize the Muslim community and articulate an Islam, which inspires morality but leaves national politics to the governments of our nations."..... I disagree with this...I believe that anti-islamists or moderate muslims need the military power of the USA and other countries to help the radicals understand. ...."Most should understand that strategically, identifying ‘Islam as the problem,’ immediately alienates upwards of one quarter of the world’s population and dismisses our most powerful weapon against the militant Islamists—the mantle of religion and the pulpit of moderate Muslims who can retake our faith from the Islamists."..... So the writer believes that if the western world blames islam for the problem that moderate muslims will side with the radicals even though the moderates know radicals are wrong. ...."immediately alienates upwards of one quarter of the world’s population"..... Can't help it...just sounds like a threat. ....." Islam’s naysayers by accepting radical interpretations of scripture are thus handing the militants the mantle of religion with hardly the benefit of the doubt or patience toward long term opportunities for reform by anti-Islamist Muslims within the general Muslim population"..... Those that believe islam is responsible are in no way helping radical islamists or handing them the mantle of religion...the radicals have claimed their actions in the name of the islam religion for many many years and I do not know of anyone within that religion that spoke out against radicals years ago...there is only now a few so called moderate muslims who speak out against radical islam and that IMO is likely only because the USA and Bush have at last confronted radical islam with military power. Just my opinion...I just don't trust islam in any of it's forms.

To: ExCane who wrote (7641)	5/21/2007 8:10:23 PM
From: lorne	Respond to of 20106

ExCane. from the article >>. I know you didi not write the article and are not responsible for any of it's contents.. :-) ...."Political Islam (Islamism), not Islam, is incompatible with Americanism and pluralism".... The following is from what I believe to be a web site from moderate muslims? And here are a few of the beliefs posted there. ....State and Religion: Muslims believe that Islam is a total and a complete way of life. It encompasses all aspects of life. As such, the teachings of Islam do not separate religion from politics. As a matter of fact, state and religion are under the obedience of Allah through the teachings of Islam. Hence, economic and social transactions, as well as educational and political systems are also part of the teachings of Islam. Muslims are one Nation: For the greater human unity Islam rejects human division on the basis of race, color, language or region. Because people are created equal in front of the Law of God and difference between them, in the eyes of God, only depends on piety and righteousness. According to Islamic ideology the world is divided into two major parts i.e. Muslims and Non-Muslims. In Islamic teachings all the Muslims of the world are brothers to one another and are one nation irrespective to race, language, color or region. Therefore all the Muslim countries/states/populace are considered as sovereign administrative units of a single nation. Their pain and gain are common and as Muslims they are supposed to help one another in their hard times.".... concept.faithweb.com