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To: one_less who wrote (646)	5/22/2007 10:38:27 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

If your goal is to incrementally change them to be clones of you, you are destined for failure. If your goal is to learn, change, and renew global society for the better, it may be do-able to some extent. Gem.. if I have ANY goal, or desire, related to our struggle against religious militancy, it is to further the belief that God does not want mankind to purvey his message (whatever the interpretation man draws from it) through physical violence. If we can "infect" the various world religions with the belief that "Jihad", "Crusade", or "holy war" is a spiritual war focused on peacefully changing hearts and minds, through the weapons of love and human tolerance, we'll have achieved the victory. However, on the other hand, I think I should add that, if we have any cause that justifies using violence, it would be to demonstrate our "intolerance for intolerance". Hawk

To: one_less who wrote (646)	5/22/2007 10:47:48 AM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

"I have witnessed tremendous change over the last couple of decades. Even now we have 10m or so Muslims in North America. These people are excited about the Western opportunities and enterprises they have engaged in. That enthusiasm reaches around the world to cities and villages of heritage. We are blending and enmeshed to such a degree that the term 'over there' has a totally different context than it once did. Our freinds and relatives are over there, and theirs are here. " You must have stolen this from my grandfather who might have said much the same thing 50 or 60 years ago. Can you point to concrete cases of the effects of this on the muslim community? This has always been one of my arguments against the belief we have a fifth column within the country. We are not england and the south asians or france and the africans. This after all is the land of opportunity. Our native moslems who might adopt the al queda pov probably are blacks and hispanics who have been indoctrinated in our prisons. This is the US achilles heel--crime and high rates of imprisonment.