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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (1025)	5/26/2007 11:22:53 AM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 4152

They will never set up their Caliphate, Ed. But like the Bolsheviks before them, they can sure leave a lot of wreckage in their wake trying. I'm not so sure about that Nadine. Not if we take up Ed's suggestion and do nothing to prevent it. All they have to do is control one major historical country (Iraq, Syria, or Saudi Arabia) and declare it the new seat of their Caliphate. Boom!.. it's established.. But taking over the rest of the world? That's something else altogether. And yes.. that's where the blood will begin to flow like Persian Crude. The real danger of Al Queda, however, is in the power of their ideas. Those ideas have struck a chord in the Muslim world mostly BECAUSE OF our actions in Iraq And Ed, like so many others, fails to understand where those ideas stem from. Ayman Al-Zawahiri, as you and I know, was heavily inspired by the teachings of Sayyid Qutb: en.wikipedia.org Who, in turn.. was inspired by the teachings of the Muslim Brotherhood (Ikhwan) based upon the Wahabbist flavor of Islam derived from Saudi Arabia, and taught by Hassan Al-Banna: en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org Note: I find it interesting that when I did a web query for "Ihkwan", Muslim Brotherhood", + "Saudi Arabia", one does not find many immediate links to Ibn Sa'ud and his creation of the Ihkwan as his "praetorian guard" that permitted him to rise to power. But I did find this link that gives a pretty good description of the Saudi Ihkwan and how Ibn Sa'ud's used them, and then disposed of them when they became a threat: Ikhwan before al Banna Saudi Arabia was created by its first king, Ibn Saud. Ibn Saud created his base of power by using the military might of a local band of nomadic mercenaries, the Ikhwan, and he combined this military might with the moral authority of the local Wahabbist clerics. Ibn Saud expanded his base of power with the Ikhwan’s ferocious and feared camel mounted cavalry until he controlled what is now Saudi Arabia. The nation bears his familial name. Ibn Saud faced an internal revolt after he created his kingdom. The Ikhwan wanted to invade the neighboring nations so that they could be converted to Wahabbist Islam. Ibn Saud decided not to do this, so the Ikhwan revolted. Ibn Saud approached the Wahabbist clerics and asked that they consider the legality of the Ikhwanic revolt. This was a risky politcal move, as the Wahhabbists were in agreement with the Ikhwan that all non-wahhabists Muslims were apostate, and therefore infidels and needed to be converted. The Wahhabists clerics, after consideration of the Qu’ran, issued a fatwah (religious and legal ruling) that the Ikhwan were wrong to rise up against the legitimate leader of an Islamic country. Ibn Saud used this fatwah to forcefully put down the Ikhwan. They effectively ceased to exist. dkosopedia.com Isn't it a shame, Nadine, that so many people just REFUSE to do the most basic research on a topic before declaring their expert opinion? Hawk