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To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (59560)	6/5/2007 12:27:22 PM
From: Bill	Respond to of 90947

I agree.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (59560)	6/5/2007 12:50:17 PM
From: Alan Smithee	Respond to of 90947

I'm with you on this.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (59560)	6/5/2007 1:21:31 PM
From: mph	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 90947

My mother was a legal immigrant, who became a citizen, back in the 30's or early 40's. Today, at 82, she lives on social security and very modest investment income. Even with Medicare and a Medicare supp policy, it recently cost her $300/day for her share of a short hospital stay, which consisted of a few diagnostic tests and no other services of note. I sincerely doubt that illegal immigrants who show up at County to have their babies are being charged a like amount for services. I hasten to add that I don't think the legal or illegal immigrant is entitled to free medical care. I do think that we shouldn't be rewarding illegality with freebies.

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (59560)	6/5/2007 1:38:59 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

I have to agree with you Laz....(which makes me very nervous<g>)

To: Lazarus_Long who wrote (59560)	6/5/2007 10:09:50 PM
From: Oeconomicus	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 90947

1. I didn't call you a racist. I said you were ranting and calling people names. You were. In fact, you're still ranting. 2. You're, quite frankly, FOS. Resident aliens - a.k.a. "green card" holders or legal immigrants - ARE eligible for both Medicaid and unemployment insurance. They're even eligible for Social Security. Illegal immigrants are eligible for none of these things, even though many actually do pay into the latter. 3. As for what we "used to do in this country", we USED to have a guest worker program until organized labor killed it in the 1960s. 4. Another thing we "used to do in this country" is the same thing many anti-immigration zealots are doing today - screaming and shouting about how "we're being overrun", that "they're destroying our culture" because "they refuse to learn English", and other similar nonsense. The same things were said about Irish, Italian, Greek, Eastern European, Chinese (especially Chinese!) and God knows how many other waves of immigrants to this country, many of whom were no more legal than today's illegal immigrants. 5. One thing I'm pretty sure we've never done, though, is sentence anyone to "a couple bad years in the slammer" just for being here illegally. Deported, sure, but jail time requires some greater crime than being caught picking peaches without a green card. You see, Laz, "unlawful presence" in the US is NOT a felony. It's not even criminal. Removal hearings aren't even criminal proceedings - they are civil. Nor does it, by itself, automatically render the individual ineligible for lawful reentry at a later date. Lastly, "unlawful entry", which IS a criminal offense but only a misdemeanor for a first offense, is rarely prosecuted - for lots of good reasons. 5. "STOP IT! NOW!" is not a solution, whether typed in all caps, shouted from the roof-tops or however else you might want to deliver your battle cry.