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To: Ilaine who wrote (19409)	6/8/2007 9:36:49 PM
From: Nikole Wollerstein	Respond to of 217544

MSDS for Etilene-Glycol: Ingestion: Initial symptoms in massive dosage parallel alcohol intoxication, progressing to CNS depression, vomiting, headache, rapid respiratory and heart rate, lowered blood pressure, stupor, collapse, and unconsciousness with convulsions. Death from respiratory arrest or cardiovascular collapse may follow. Lethal dose in humans: 100 ml (3-4 ounces).

To: Ilaine who wrote (19409)	6/8/2007 11:11:33 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217544

I have not been interested in ingesting anything from China for years and am suspicious of paints on things [possibly lead] and other quality control issues related to human health. I buy Sanitarium peanut butter because I trust Sanitarium sanitarium.co.nz to control aflatoxins which cause liver cancer. I was surprised to find Santiarium's peanut butter is Made in China. I hadn't been checking the label, just judging by "Sanitarium" and bypassing other brands. I would be surprised if aflatoxins are controlled in China unless required by the company they supply, and I wouldn't trust China's manufacturers even if they claimed to control it and had pieces of paper to prove it. My point about ethylene glycol was not so much that it's okay, as that it isn't particularly lethal in little amounts. In toothpaste, I don't think there's a problem. I would not worry at all about brushing my teeth with toothpaste with some ethylene glycol in it. I would not choose it or buy it, but if I found myself having inadvertently used it, I wouldn't worry at all. I worry more about my Made in China peanut butter and will cease and desist buying until I get some details. China isn't the only country I avoid for various products. Anything in which random chemicals can easily be put are off my shopping list for many countries. I don't worry about Japan much, or Switzerland, or USA [which is more of a nutrient-depleted place rather than toxins-included]. The great thing about the USA is that people can be sued for their back teeth and companies like to keep things law-suit free. I used to warn BP Oil about that in the 1980s when they'd bought Sohio and effectively become an American oil company. The British culture treats laws as approximations to what to do. The USA slams people in prison and confiscates $billions if necessary. My point was that a monstrous class action suit on lead in petrol [gasoline], benzene [causes myeloid leukaemia], volatility [causes fires and deaths by burning alive], carcinogens from diesel exhaust and other issues could bankrupt BP. I am surprised there never was a class action suit on lead - I suppose nobody really understood the value of the damage to people that was done neurologically from lead in petrol, paint and other places [soldering on cans for example]. There should have been. Cigarettes are a voluntary death and anyone who smokes knows that it's bad for them [the death rattle cough they suffer and the taste is sufficient warning]. If they don't know just from using it, then they are so insensitive to their own survival, then the gene pool is better cleared of them anyway. Nature takes care of all such things. Mercilessly, relentlessly. I think Chinese individuals are corrupt, not just the government. That's because the value of people is so low that they have little to lose. Japan has a strong nationalistic identity [one for all and all for one]. Britain and "Christian" countries have a "brotherhood of man" ideology [limited of course, but it's there]. China and many countries have an ideology "Every man for himself and the devil take the hindmost" with the bosses making sure they are very comfortable and hang onto power at all costs [costs to other people preferably]. I'm sure you know that toxicity of things fits in a huge range. Micro amounts of polonium 210 are lethal. Dying from salt intake is difficult. Too much cod liver oil is bad too. Booze can kill if the ethanol level is high enough. Ethylene glycol is not on the list "Omigod, don't get that on your skin". It's more, "Keep away from children and pets". Polonium 210 is "Keep it away from everyone". Humanized H5N1 is even worse than polonium 210 because it makes more of itself and spreads virally. Everywhere uses "antifreeze" these days, because it's not so much "antifreeze" as coolant system heat capacity, anti-boil, anti-freeze, anti-corrosion, and vehicles die without it. Coolants are viciously complex things. I remember when I first got involved with formulations of them. It was a nightmare. Engine oil was a doddle by comparison. Mqurice

To: Ilaine who wrote (19409)	6/9/2007 1:25:38 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 217544

mcdonalds represents the epitome of waste and corruption potato chips are the real weapons of mass destruction freedom fries are the true enemy and yet all publicly listed, and legally sanctioned, advertised on international tv, pushed around like cocaine, to mostly entrap the young and very young destroying the young and the not so young just look around, sense the truth walking around in the malls, appreciate the crux of the matter riding on the public transports, and wonder at the kernal of the issue hanging around town as far as china and food is concerned, as i speculated a few weeks back, the round of legislation, crack down and terms and conditions is of course healthy, trending correctly, and the anti-freeze, at least as far as i hear, is not publicly listed as yet btw, the friendly food companies in china that are listed on hong kong stock exchange are doing quite well, universally acclaimed and supported and appreciated by consumers and investors alike boolish, very extremely boolish besides, exporting tainted food by criminal elements, now being punished and prevented, is not exactly on par with exporting organized, ruling elite dictated, popularly supported, and scientific death and destruction to mesopotamia, terminating the young and very young, in front of the old and very old, and then having the main media outlets disseminate lies and more fibs to continue the biblically punishable acts the truth is often enough so simple to see, and yet, invariably, always so difficult to realize, for some, but most assuredly not for all

To: Ilaine who wrote (19409)	6/9/2007 3:58:07 AM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 217544

so, i understand you the people are (i) running secret gulags in a whole lot of countries, (ii) rendering a lot of innocents, (iii) young and old, (iv) specially, and (v) running slave workers via sub-contractors by confiscating their right to travel so as to force them to build a 400 million dollar colonial outpost in the middle of the desert, (vi) all to steal oil that belongs to other people, (vii) just so that you can keep driving a SUV, (viii) enabling you to pollute more than your fair share of our planet, and (ix) all the while supporting the most expensive occupation force in the history of civilization, so that all can lose their habeas and give up their corpus. is that true? and the subcontractors are publicly listed? to think the punishment will not be biblical in nature is i believe being optimistic, if true is it all true? and the 400 million dollar compound built by slave labour will have a mcdonalds? is the concrete bunker complex financed with money borrowed and never intended to be paid back? yeup, let's get back to worrying about fainting dogs and not so comfortable cats, and get ready to complain when their evil poisoners get the capital treatment when god decides to mete out the punishment, i can see how he would pay special attention to the ancient civilization that is trending right and forgive the pop culture that is going wrong is that the way you think biblical works?

To: Ilaine who wrote (19409)	6/9/2007 5:17:06 AM
From: elmatador	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 217544

Hundreds of thousands of gallons of Austrian wine have apparently been doctored with poisonous diethylene-glycol, or automobile antifreeze, to make them taste sweeter, like more expensive Austrian wines. Thus far, four tainted bottles have been found in the United States: one in Washington and three in Chicago. query.nytimes.com The scandal destroyed the market for Austrian wine, but in the long term has been a force for good, compelling Austria to tackle low standards of bulk wine production, and reposition herself as a producer of quality wines that stand comparison with the best in the world.

To: Ilaine who wrote (19409)	6/9/2007 9:48:41 PM
From: TobagoJack	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217544

Message 23612356 <<Not another edible or consumable from China, not in my lifetime, not even tea. I'm done with China>> ... put another country on enemy's list ;0) ... must indicate the pop culture is "... irredeemably corrupt" <<Not necessarily the people, as individuals, but the people have little say in their government>> and as the theory goes, per your faulty logic on the haywire, the people have much say over their government, and so there are no convenient excuses, unless of course you will claim that the poisonings are done by criminals, which you naturally would, of course, claim.