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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (1592)	6/10/2007 7:36:22 PM
From: neolib	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 4152

Sure they all have differences, but the most important aspect is the same: The current dominant group does not relish the new groups taking over. The rest is secondary. So Jew's want Israel to stay Jewish, Europeans want Europe to stay European, and a significant fraction of Americans want America to stay English. To greater or lessor degrees, all these groups are or will put up a fight to achieve these goals. Two more generations of current trends, and France and Spain will have Muslim majorities or very large minorities Only if they don't do something to reduce the reproduction of their Muslim minorities. Don't think that can't happen. Suppose a country passes a law which says that all ethnic groups are accorded equal reproductive rights. No racism there. But this would allow one to force high reproduction groups to reduce their rates to match that of other groups. Clearly very intrusive by current standards, but perhaps not a couple of decades from now. For that matter, the law could state equal reproductive rights with a 25 years backwards starting point, so groups that over reproduced in the last generation, would have a spike down for a few generations, until things evened out. Nothing saying that can't happen either, but it is a bit harder to defend against a charge of racism IMO.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (1592)	6/12/2007 5:39:56 AM
From: GUSTAVE JAEGER	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

Re: Not only do hispanic population share more cultural values with the natives than in Europe (both predominantly Christian) but the US has an excellent record of being able to assimilate large immigrant populations. "LARGE immigrant populations." Maybe, but now the challenge for the US's Judeo-Protestant majority is to assimilate the unrelenting FLOOD of Hispanic immigrants in an era where satellite dishes, cheap travel (back to Mexico, Guatemala,...) and unequal demographics (between whites and Hispanics) make it all easier for Hispanic minorities to nurture their ethnic and cultural legacy. Hence it doesn't compare at all with the US's previous waves of immigration, mainly from lily-white Europe. For instance, the assimilation of Italians() was faster --do Rudolf Giuliani and Mario Cuomo speak Italian? I once heard Cuomo tell his audience that his nonna (grandma) never spoke English.... () en.wikipedia.org Re: This is completely different to the situation of Muslim immigration in France or the Netherlands, as the author points out. Europe's anti-immigrant feelings don't stem from Islam or religion... Bear in mind that most Europeans don't give a damn about Jesus, the Pope, the Bible, etc. There ain't "megachurchs" or Bible-thumpers over here. As I expounded previously on other threads, Europe's anti-immigrant grudge is based on race --Europe fancies itself as a multicultural WHITE monolith as opposed to the American multiracial monoculture: Message 22326595 I guess that's why Christian and Animist Blacks from sub-Saharan Africa (Congo, Gabon, Cameroon,...) or Surinam (as far as the Netherlands is concerned) or Brazil and the Caribbean countries (as far as Portugal and Spain are concerned) are as discriminated and jobless as their Muslim fellows... Ditto with the increasing Asian/Chinese minority: Brushing off Paris clothiers By Andrea A. Quong International Herald Tribune Friday, March 5, 2004 iht.com Tensions rise as Chinese move, en masse, into a Paris neighborhood Letter from Europe By Celestine Bohlen Bloomberg News Published: June 5, 2007 iht.com China urges Italy to handle Milan Chinatown riots 'fairly' April 15, 2007 smh.com.au Of course, such a racialist rationale doesn't fit in with Judeofascists' agenda to picture the whole issue as an enlarged replica of the Israeli-Arab conflict.... Judeofascists are anxious to explain away Europe's immigration crisis as a Muslim issue, as a clash of religions/civilizations, not as yet another instance of plain, white racism. Gus

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (1592)	8/15/2007 10:49:27 AM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

Dutch MP calls for ban on Quran Wilders said the Quran should be banned in the Netherlands in the column of a newspaper [AFP] A Dutch member of parliament has called for the Quran to be banned in the Netherlands, describing it as a "fascist book" which calls on people to kill non-believers and rape women. Geert Wilders, leader of the far-right Freedom Party, called for the ban in a letter published in De Volkskrant newspaper. In his letter, Wilders compares the Muslim holy book to Mein Kampf, Adolf Hitler's autobiography, and said the Quran has "no place in our constitutional state". "I have been saying this for years: there is no such thing as a moderate Islam," Wilders wrote. Wilders' Freedom Party holds nine seats in the Netherlands' 150 seat parliament. Call for ban Wilders also said several chapters in the Quran "call on Muslims to oppress, persecute or kill Christians, Jews, dissidents and non-believers, to beat and rape women and to establish an Islamic state by force". The publication of the letter comes after a weekend attack on Eshan Jami, a young Dutch politician, who established a group to support people who have renounced Islam. Jami, who was not visibly injured in the attack, is now under police protection as is Wilders. "Ban this wretched book like Mein Kampf is banned! Send a signal to Jami's attackers and other Islamic radicals that the Quran cannot be used in the Netherlands as an inspiration or an excuse for violence," Wilders said. Wilders acknowledged that his plan would not receive majority support in the Dutch parliament. "I am fed up with Islam in the Netherlands: no more Muslim immigrants allowed. I am fed up with the worship of Allah and Muhammad in the Netherlands: no more mosques," his letter concluded. Source: Agencies english.aljazeera.net From: Darren 5 Recommendations of 22186