To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (1639 ) 6/11/2007 4:17:08 PM From: neolib Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 4152 For whatever reason, great men of physics, late in life, often try to branch out and apply their genius to other fields. For your enlightenment I provide two additional examples: William Shockley (Nobel winner!)en.wikipedia.org I selected him since I know you have an interest in eugenics. LOL! Next consider Thomas Gold and abiogenic oil:en.wikipedia.org Dyson is in fine company. Perhaps you could explain the everlasting appeal of the Maverick tackling a foreign subject, and conquering it against the combined weight of most the experts in that field? Seems to have great appeal. You know, Mr Smith Goes to Washington. BTW, it did happen hundreds of years ago in scientific fields, because there weren't really any experts in them. Many people don't understand that times have changed. I'll grant you that it might well happen in politics, and possibly economics and social sciences. The level of learning in those fields is not so great, but that is my uninformed opinion of them.Besides the general prevalence of fudge-factors, the latest and biggest climate models have other defects that make them unreliable. With one exception, they do not predict the existence of El Niño. Since El Niño is a major feature of the observed climate, any model that fails to predict it is clearly deficient. Duh! El Nino is somewhere in between weather and climate. Nobody can do even a halfway respectable weather prediction 1 month out either. El Nino models have progressed quite a bit, and they have near term use. I wouldn't expect them ever to be a significant issue in long term climate models. Why do you?