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To: Ichy Smith who wrote (59993)6/13/2007 7:07:37 PM
From: Bill  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 90947
 
Regardless of preferred tactics and endgames, the process by necessity would be gradual. There is no such thing as a mass deportation.



To: Ichy Smith who wrote (59993)6/13/2007 11:55:35 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 90947
 
Unless the gov't solves the illegal immigration by strictly adhering to DNC Talking Points the MSM will pull out all the stops to paint the non-DNC plan as a complete humanitarian disaster.

Can you name one major policy initiative initiated without DNC support that the MSM did't go that same route?



To: Ichy Smith who wrote (59993)6/14/2007 1:18:35 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 90947
 
Portland Raid On Illegals Shows - Officials Upset (At The Raid)

By Bull Dog Pundit on Immigration
Ankle Biting Pundits

Today federal authorities raided a Portland food processing plant and rounded up 165 illegal aliens. As you read the story you’ll see the type of things that make we opponents of the Amnesty bill so upset.


<<< More than 165 workers were detained to be processed for possible deportation, officials said, and three people were indicted on immigration, illegal documents and identity theft charges.

Portland Mayor Tom Potter criticized the raids. The three arrests were understandable, he said, but “to go after local workers who are here to support their families while filling the demands of local businesses for their labor is bad policy.”

According to an affidavit filed by Maximillian Trimm, a special agent with Immigration and Customs Enforcement, only 48 of nearly 600 employees at the Fresh Del Monte Produce fruit and vegetable processing plant had valid Social Security numbers.

The three indicted were Jose de Jesus Zarazua-Lopez, accused of re-entering the United States illegally after being convicted of heroin charges and deported to Mexico; Jose Dejesus Buenrostro, accused of encouraging an illegal immigrant; and Margarita Amezcua-Salvador, accused of possessing counterfeit alien registration documents, identity theft, selling a Social Security card, and encouraging an illegal immigrant.

CAUSA Oregon, an immigration rights group, called the raids inhumane.

“The Del Monte workers and their families are an integral part of the Oregon community and economy, and our immigration policy must reflect this reality,” the group said in a statement.

Potter spokesman John Doussard said the city’s Police Bureau had been given a heads-up about the raids but did not participate. Potter said in a statement that a city crisis response team would help the families of the workers.

Authorities created a 24-hour toll-free hotline for family members of unauthorized workers who were arrested in Tuesday’s operations. Operators can answer questions about detention status and the removal process. The number is (866) 341-3858. >>>

OK, where to start.

First, obviously is this idiot mayor who claimed that actually enforcing the law and deporting illegal aliens is “bad policy”.
Hey, isn’t that similar to what people like John McCain, Ted Kennedy and President Bush are saying in criticizing those of us who say that authorities should “enforce the law” before granting amnesty? And he calls illegal aliens “local workers”. Um, no they’re not. They’re foreigners that broke the law to get here.

Second, you will notice that under the Amnesty Bill, the three named aliens would not be permanently barred from citizenship.
Under the Cornyn Amendment they would have been, but his amendment was defeated thanks to “Republicans” like John McCain, George Voinovich, Lindsey Graham and Arlen Specter. You can read Pat’s response defending that vote, and specifically lamenting that those who committed document fraud would never be able to become citizens here.

Third, what about the approximately 350 people who didn’t have valid Social Security numbers, but weren’t rounded up for immigration crimes? Isn’t that also a crime or something that should be investigated?

Fourth, the response of the local illegal immigrant group (and the local Archbishop) describing the raids as “inhumane” makes me laugh.
Why not just let everyone in then? After all, isn’t keeping everyone out “inhumane”. I mean, think about it, wouldn’t just about everyone on earth have a better life in this country? If so, isn’t it “inhumane” that we let all of them in?

They are not an “integral” part of the local economy, and if they are, they shouldn’t be. Now, the plants are going to have to hire citizens and/or those foreigners here that have decided to play by the rules. If, because of the wages, they don’t get people to fill the jobs then they’re going to have to raise the pay, and we’re all going to have to pay higher prices for the food made there. But so what?

Fifth, if I were a Portland resident, I’d be offended that the city has set up a “hotline” to assist the families of illegal immigrants who were rounded up. If anything, local authorities should be using information from those phone calls to round up any family members who are illegal. Why? Well, um, because they are BREAKING THE LAW.

What I’m really interested to see is whether or not those illegals who were arrested are kept in custody pending their detention, or are given future dates to come back to the hearing which they will ignore.

Especially if the McCain-Kennedy Amnesty bill passes because under that law there would be no repercussions for ignoring such a court order.

And they’ll tell you their bill isn’t “amnesty”. Do they really believe that

anklebitingpundits.com

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To: Ichy Smith who wrote (59993)6/14/2007 2:43:00 AM
From: Sully-  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 90947
 
    Had the bill passed, could we really have expected that 
the first impoverished alien unable to pay the fee or fine
under its provisions would have been sent summarily home?
More likely, he would have appeared on the 6 o’clock news
as a victim of American mean-spiritedness and racism — and
thereby instead won a reprieve or an outright apology.

Iliberal on Immigration

Don’t look at me.

By Victor Davis Hanson
National Review Online

The collapse last week of a comprehensive immigration bill in Congress that called for a huge guest-worker program, fast-track visas, and a sort of earned citizenship for illegal aliens has unleashed a backlash against those opponents of it who prefer to close the border first and legislate the details of illegal immigration later.

Washington pundits and Beltway politicians are furious at various critics of the bill, from radio- talk-show hosts and writers for conservative magazines to frontline congressional representatives and Republican presidential candidates like Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, and Fred Thompson.

These critics are dubbed cynical nativists — or racists — who have demagogued the issue and scapegoated hardworking illegal aliens. Even President Bush got into the fray when he alleged that conservative obstructionists were somehow not working in America’s best interests.

But who’s really being cynical when it comes to illegal immigration?

The government?

Of course.

It has caved to pressure groups for over a quarter century. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 ensured neither reform nor control. Instead, the law simply resulted in millions entering the United States through blanket amnesty and de facto open borders.

In many cities, current municipal laws bar police officers from turning arrested illegal aliens over to immigration officials. So why should the public believe that the proposed new law, with hundreds of pages of rules and regulations, would trump local obstructionism or effect any real change?

Had the bill passed, could we really have expected that the first impoverished alien unable to pay the fee or fine under its provisions would have been sent summarily home? More likely, he would have appeared on the 6 o’clock news as a victim of American mean-spiritedness and racism — and thereby instead won a reprieve or an outright apology.

Congressional supporters of the present legislation are themselves often engaging in politics of the most cynical kind. Rare “bipartisan” cooperation on the bill, which brought Sen. Trent Lott from Mississippi to the side of Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy, is hardly statesmanship or a sudden outbreak of civic virtue. Rather, it is a new public face to the old alliance between profit-minded employers (and those who represent their interests) and demographically obsessed liberal and ethnic activists.

The former want assurances that there will be millions of aliens available to work at wages that Americans will not — with the ensuing medical, housing, schooling, and legal costs subsidized by the taxpayer. The latter can’t wait for more constituents in need of group representation who, it is hoped, will someday support them at the polls.

Most cynical of all, however, are the moralistic pundits, academics, and journalists who deplore the “nativism” of Americans they consider to be less-educated yokels. Yet their own jobs of writing, commenting, reporting, and teaching are rarely threatened by cheaper illegal workers.

Few of these well-paid and highly educated people live in communities altered by huge influxes of illegal aliens. Their professed liberality about illegal immigration usually derives from seeing hardworking waiters, maids, nannies, and gardeners commute to their upscale cities and suburbs to serve them well — and cheaply.

In general, such elites don’t use emergency rooms in the inner cities and rural counties overcrowded by illegal aliens. They don’t drive on country roads frequented by those without licenses, registration and insurance. And their children don’t struggle with school curricula altered to the needs of students who speak only Spanish.

For many professors, politicians, and columnists, the gangs, increased crime, and crowded jails that often result from massive illegal immigration and open borders are not daily concerns, but rather stereotypes hysterically evoked by paranoid and unenlightened others in places like Bakersfield and Laredo.

So, what is the truth on illegal immigration?

Simple. Millions of fair-minded white, African-, Mexican- and Asian-Americans fear that we are not assimilating millions of aliens from south of the border as fast as they are crossing illegally from Mexico.

In the frontline American southwest, entire apartheid communities and enclaves within cities have sprung up whose distinct language, culture and routines are beginning to resemble more the tense divides in the Balkans or Middle East than the traditional melting pot of multiracial America.

Concern over this inevitable slowdown in integration and assimilation is neither racist nor nativist. It grows out of real worry that when millions of impoverished arrive in mass without legality, education, and the ability to speak English, costly social problems follow that will not be offset by the transitory economic benefits cheap wages may provide.

Those fretting about delays in sealing the border along with proposed fast-track visas, millions of new guest workers, and neglect of existing immigration law are neither illiberal nor cynical.

But their self-righteous critics may well be both.

© 2007 TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.

article.nationalreview.com