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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (234609)	6/29/2007 1:20:43 AM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I think artists, being generally liberal, are liberal. Nonconformity has nothing to do with it. Not being conservative has everything to do with it. I don't think "artist" has ever been considered a "conservative" profession. Perhaps you are not aware of the definition of "conservative": con·serv·a·tive /k?n's?rv?t?v/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –adjective 1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change. 2. cautiously moderate or purposefully low: a conservative estimate. 3. traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit. 4. (often initial capital letter) of or pertaining to the Conservative party. 5. (initial capital letter) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of Conservative Jews or Conservative Judaism. 6. having the power or tendency to conserve; preservative. 7. Mathematics. (of a vector or vector function) having curl equal to zero; irrotational; lamellar. –noun 8. a person who is conservative in principles, actions, habits, etc. 9. a supporter of conservative political policies. 10. (initial capital letter) a member of a conservative political party, esp. the Conservative party in Great Britain. 11. a preservative. ........ I wouldn't define someone who "avoids novelty" as an artist. They may be an artisan, but imo creativity is required to be an artist, and creativity is essentially novel. You can define artists and artisans the same way, but we will disagree if you want to do that. They are different words for a reason. Now some artists aren't particularly good at being creative, but I don't think I've ever met one who didn't want to be. Have you met artists who just want to do the same old thing everyone else is doing, and who wish to avoid novelty? I can't say I've seen that, except in hobbyists. That's different than counter culture- artists are looking (in my experience) for a new way of seeing the world, or a new way of expressing the old ways of seeing it. If they weren't, we wouldn't need them- we could just rely on what we already have, right? For most of history there have been artisans, who were merely craftsmen, and there were artists, who tried for something different. There's a huge difference. I don't know what craftsman tend to be in terms of politics. That's why I said artists and not "artisans". I suspect it depends on what craft they are in to. I'd suspect wood workers and quilters might be conservative, and water colorists are probably liberals- based on the people I've known. But who cares? I wasn't talking about aritsans, I was talking about artists. You confuse the two, and I do not.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (234609)	6/29/2007 7:04:18 AM
From: c.hinton	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

RE That's a hangover of the whole epater les bourgeois 19th century romantic mentality about artists. For most of history, artists have been artisans, plying their craft to make a living, with no more non-conformity implied by being a painter than being a cabinet-maker. The term artist has more than one meaning. An "Artist "has always had high social standing and a certain artistic licence with regard to life style. An artisan is just another dogs body. I do not think anybody would consider leonardo ,donatello, celini or botticelli, to name only a few ,only cabinate makers. Many "artist" were more than just painters and sculpturers..... There are the many who actively developed new techniques in their arts. Techniques which demanded the highest technical skill of the age to master. An example would be the use of "the prospective" or the casting of large bronzes If you are interested in an easy read.try Benvenuto Cellinis' auto biograph. He was an ego maniac at the center of the world stage.....Art, multiple murder,sorcery,siege combined with kings,popes and emporers make for an all star cast and a non stop plot. Artists create. artisans copy