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To: BUGGI-WO who wrote (235734)	7/5/2007 3:20:34 PM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

re: is that so hard to understand. Its the same thing, which AMD earlier did too, like WBMW stated already. At past times, you could find Opterons in SUN boxes, which were not launched. Not the same thing - 1. Intel has never announced the X5365 or given its specs, AMD announced Socket M Opterons here amd.com with MULTIPLE OEM design wins on 15-Aug-06 2. "Sun exclusive" lasted 3 weeks, not 5 months, from what I can tell. SUN announced its servers the same day sun.com HP announced its servers and workstations the same day hp.com According to this link, the HP workstation was released 6-Sep-06 aecnewsroom.digitalmedianet.com 3. The power consumption of the all AMD server chips has always been announced before any products have shipped. Not true for X5365. The 2222 and 8222SE 3 GHz Opterons were released on 23-Apr-07 with availability in both Sun and HP servers amd.com The press release included the power consumption, Intel has never given a power consumption for the X5365. AMD submitted some SPEC results 3 weeks before that on a Sun werver, so what? If there is some other top-end AMD product that was unannounced and available from only one OEM for five months, you are welcome to tell me about it. Petz

To: BUGGI-WO who wrote (235734)	7/6/2007 11:48:32 AM
From: pgerassi	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 275872

Dear Buggi: You forget that Apple could be overclocking these parts. That would be why they use so much power. Now they may have a deal with Intel to supply these, but it is not an official bin. The same thing happened with Athlon when a company (I don't remember the name) supplied overclocked Athlons using phase change cooling. They had 1GHz when 800MHz was the top bin. Intel could be sanctioning it as a one off deal where Apple has to supply super cooling like water or phase change keeping the die below some agreed upon temperature. Intel figure it will be September, 2007 before they can get enough Clovertowns per quarter to meet production quality margins at 3GHz at or below 120W TDP(typ) rated bin. So treat Apples X5365 as overclocked with no Intel support. Apple can provide support like repairing or replacing CPUs that fail to maintain 3GHz in their boxes, fail or get flaky at their cost. If they do it right, the support in paying for replacements will be less than what they got for the originals over cost. Pete