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To: tejek who wrote (342494)	7/8/2007 4:45:22 PM
From: d[-_-]b	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 1583713

For an example, why are we behind in life longevity and infant mortality rate? Can you determine from your sources whether infant mortality rates in the USA exclude births of "Americans" to illegals? I ask because I hear numbers like over 50% of births are to illegals today and in mexico the infant mortality rate is around 19 deaths per 1000 so they could be contributing negatively to the statistics and making a good system (ours) look far worse than it really is on this metric. indexmundi.com Perhaps we need a better yard stick to measure our health systems performance than the two you used or at least a breakdown by ethicity or citizenship. The longevity one is easy - McDonalds. :-)

To: tejek who wrote (342494)	7/8/2007 4:50:51 PM
From: longnshort	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1583713

How many crack babies are there in those countries ?

To: tejek who wrote (342494)	8/26/2007 4:01:56 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 1583713

They do? I think you are very wrong. For an example, why are we behind in life longevity and infant mortality rate? Because we measure infant mortality differently, and because on the average we have more accidents and violent deaths than Europe. We also receive more illegal immigrants than European countries and on the average they have a lower life expectancy. Adjust for all of those factors and our life expectancy is higher than the European average. Beyond that both the infant mortality rate, and the life expectancy rate are affected by many other factors than the medical system. And those two measurements are only one of many things that are affected the medical care systems. Look at other stats like cancer survival rates and we do better than Europe (true cancer survival rates are also affected by other factors besides the medical system, but probably not to the same degree that life expectancy is) As for calling "Any change can cause stress, and obviously there has been a lot of change in Eastern Europe. An increased level of capitalism wasn't the only change, and some of the countries in the study that moved most strongly to capitalism are the countries where the study observed the least increase in "the gap " between male mortality and female mortality. Also "the gap" isn't the real issue, but rather changes in male mortality. The gap increases as female mortality decreases, but that isn't unhealthy for men." Hogwash, that's ridiculous. Every single point in my paragraph is true, even obviously true. Eastern Europe has had a lot of changes in addition to "more capitalism", and to say otherwise reflects ignorance or dishonesty. As for the gap being the issue, thats also a silly thought. The more life span for woman goes up, the more of a gap you have, but life span for women increasing is a good thing. If you want to present relevant data, don't talk about gaps, talk about the actual changes in life span for men. Its unreasonable to present improvements in how long women live as bad.

To: tejek who wrote (342494)	8/30/2007 10:17:11 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1583713

The US and those countries don't count live births the same way. Which distorts the comparison of both the infant mortality rates and average longevity. The US counts every birth exhibiting any sign of life as a live birth, regardless of the birth weight or month of gestation. Most other countries don't. ..Germany and Austria, fetal weight must reach one pound to be counted as a live birth, while in some other countries, including Switzerland, the baby must be at least 12 inches long. Both Belgium and France report babies as born lifeless if they are less than 26 weeks' gestation. Thats from the wikipedia article on infant mortality. Bottom line, many infant deaths counted here would be still births, miscarriages elsewhere. And re. average longevity, counting more zero longevity's drags down the average longevity.