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To: Geoff Altman who wrote (2135)	7/9/2007 4:51:07 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 4152

The surge is succeeding in one area of iraq because of quixotic tribal leaders. These are the same dudes who enlisted al quaeda and old baathists to fight us in the first place. Dont get me wrong. I applaud any and all success but when the casualty level goes over 3000 just a couple of months ago and today its 3600; and when the iraqi so-called govt doesnt meet one of the conditions we required when the surge started, i just dont see the value of continuing to play this game. I have been convinced that there is as good a chance for a positive result of some type without US troops being on the front lines. Doesnt prevent us from working with our new allies in Anbar or our old friends in Kurdistan or even with progressive forces among the shiaa, but this govt will never be successful and american casualties will approach 4000 by september and thats what i care about most. Again we can hold ground in anbar and kurdistan but not control or influence the fight between shiaa and sunni in areas both are present. Once the iraqis know we are leaving from there they will have to sort this out. There may be an initial increase in violence as ethhic cleansing takes place but after what appears to be the inevitable, some sort of settlemnet can be reached. Its not like the shiia or sunnis are evil like the jews (g). They will fight their sectarian battle and when its sorted out they will communicate.

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (2135)	7/10/2007 3:16:00 AM
From: KLP	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 4152

Entirely correct Geoff. THe Congress held hearings on even if they would continue the funding until March of this year, and when they finally did approve of the funding of the "surge", it takes time and resources to send 29,000 soldiers and ALL the equipment, supplies, and support groups halfway across the world. The last of this so called "surge" JUST ARRIVED in Iraq a very few weeks ago! Even before they got there, some in Congress were already restarting the chant....get the soldiers out of Iraq.

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (2135)	7/11/2007 5:47:25 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 4152

"it really makes me angry when our Gov't announces 20K surge plan allowing until Sept at which time the situation would be reevaluated and not even a month later you have leading Senator calling the surge a failure.... Cripes, the surge has hardly started!" It takes a either person who is bent on surrender to behave that way, or a person of less than limited moral character. In the case of those Senators who have made statements against allowing the successes to mount each seems to fall into one or the other of those categories.

To: Geoff Altman who wrote (2135)	7/12/2007 2:32:10 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 4152

Surge hasnt worked because it cant work. You want a surge? Add 100k troops and then come back to me. Ooops we cant do that now can we? Look we are leaving iraq either with bush or after him. Every kid who dies now is dying for nothing. I am not happy about losing and i am not happy about our kids dying but i am also not going to do the asian thing and save face. I always wondered about that in vietnam. We are not asian so why do we have to save face? I would rather save our collective arse and live to fight another day.