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To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (211653)	7/11/2007 12:52:03 PM
From: Constant Reader	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793885

Well, in that light, would you care to elaborate on your previously expressed attitudes towards Mormons and their fitness to hold public office? Your prior comments here and elsewhere lead me to conclude that you believe Mormons are all fine and dandy with you provided they know their place, and the Oval Office was one you exclude as being an acceptable place based on their faith alone. You had no problem ridiculing their sacred practices, as well. Snobbery? Or bigotry? Message 23514859 siliconinvestor.com siliconinvestor.com

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (211653)	7/11/2007 2:01:45 PM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 793885

i would never say that to a black, but blacks say that sort of thing to each other all the time That's a good example. People who are affiliated in some way often share insults jokingly. They say things to each other that couldn't be said by an outsider. Cubs fans could say things among themselves that would not be acceptable from a Yankee fan. Mormons could say things among themselves that would not be acceptable from a Catholic. Now with blacks, it's pretty clear who's an insider and who's an outsider. Some blacks and whites are close enough that they can make insider comments but usually you know the boundaries. Other groups may not be so clear. It's easy in any group for someone to make an insider joke thinking it would be received that way when the others think him an outsider and feel offended. Back in the day on that thread, I considered the entire contingent to be my fellows assuming that insider comments would be treated as such. I was mistaken. The other aspect is that some people have thick skin and others have thin skin. What is offensive is, in part, a function of the thickness of one's skin. If you put someone who mistakenly perceives himself to be an insider in with a bunch of the sensitized, you get offense you wouldn't get under different circumstances. It's hard enough to read those dynamics in 3D. On these threads it's hazardous. you are just too, too hung up on nuance, lane I'm not hung up on it. I bring it up every once in a while as an "insider joke." It's not something to which I'd given any though until it became a political issue with reactions to Bush and Kerry. I merely delved into it because I found the polarization around it fascinating. Who would have thought there would be political polarization based on nuance-affinity? It's amazing what political partisans will latch onto to dig a bigger trench between themselves and the other side. The other day, the right having renounced nuance for several years now as effete liberalism, LB claimed it for the right. Now there's irony. Blew my mind. Maybe I'm just easily amused. i hardly expected you to admit to 'snobbery' I admit to disdain of willful mindlessness, particularly with a prideful top note. (If you're going to be a snob, at least be a snob about something that is actually superior, for heaven's sake.) So, is a disdainer inherently a snob? From Webster: Snob 1 British : COBBLER 2 : one who blatantly imitates, fawningly admires, or vulgarly seeks association with those regarded as social superiors 3 a : one who tends to rebuff, avoid, or ignore those regarded as inferior b : one who has an offensive air of superiority in matters of knowledge or taste 1, 2, and 3a definitely do not apply. 3b, I suppose. Like I said, I didn't contest the label. I've only contested the characterization of the object of my disdain as a particular political POV. My disdain is independent of aisle side.