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To: TobagoJack who wrote (20194)	7/15/2007 7:27:08 AM
From: Julius Wong	Respond to of 217799

In Shanghai, Zhou Xiaochuan's nickname is Zhou "Bapi" (peel the skin off your face). Zhou was polite to Alphonso Jackson. He saved A.J.'s face.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (20194)	7/15/2007 8:52:12 AM
From: foundation	Respond to of 217799

re: seek truth from the spinning facts ---------- Sadly, this is never the chosen path. ... as history informs us is always the case - masses seek solace and comfort within the 'ruling group mind'. Self-reflection is taboo - anger and blame ejaculate outward. The 'faithful' will likely receive the WAL-MART version of their Rapture.

To: TobagoJack who wrote (20194)	7/15/2007 11:25:31 PM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217799

I expect most Taiwanese will not be surprised. They already have their money in Canada and their factories in China, with maybe an uncle with an apartment in Hong Kong. Note the Olympic Torch is scheduled to go through Taipei. I will bet we will see a small joint military exercise - probably a Typhoon related search and rescue drill - between PRC and ROC before November 2009. ***************** Doom, Doom, Gloom and Doom ! Did you get long on Google and Apple ?

To: TobagoJack who wrote (20194)	7/16/2007 10:54:04 PM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217799

What school is this, by the way ? >>> "My early blessing to my then new wife to attend that somewhat famous Boston-based institution of higher finishing school for new wives is starting to pay dividends..."

To: TobagoJack who wrote (20194)	7/17/2007 1:04:09 PM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 217799

TJ, We recently returned from your side of the world, the southern Philippines, where I have lived on and off for a considerable part of the last twenty years and your post inspired a reply, hopefully a somewhat enlightened one. <grin> You pose the concept of "clash of civilizations" and "Pax-sinica" and it occurred to me that maybe the best test bed for your concept is the Philippines, after all you have there a substantial Chinese community, some recent arrivals and others who have been there for ages. You also have a native population who are reasonably accepting of foreigners, especially the Chinese. We lived in Manila for a while, and also Cebu, but most of my time there has been spent in Mindanao, notably a place called Ozamiz, a cute little place of maybe a half a million souls, though nobody really knows for sure and if they do they aren't telling, if you know what I mean. When I first went there, back during the chaotic aftermath of the People Power revolution, I met most of the Chinese in town, for one thing they were among the best English speakers there and for another many of them seemed to be anxious to cultivate relationships with foreigners, maybe thinking that if things there completely collapsed that I might be of some help to them. But seems to me that what has happened there, on a cultural level anyway, is that when the emigrating Chinese are immersed in the Filipino-American-Spanish culture of the Philippines, over time the Chinese "go native" completely and become total Pinoys and Pinays. I can't think of a single example where this is not the case. Here are some specific examples where I have known the folks for twenty years or so: Take the Go family, maybe the Chinese folks I know best, most of them live in a place called the "Go family compound" which is about an acre of land surrounded by a twelve foot tall concrete wall with shards of broken glass stuck in the top. Inside are several houses and workshop buildings, where they over the years have built everything from furniture to jeepneys. My Filipino mother and father in law met there years ago, where he was a carpenter and she was a maid. The grandmother is still alive and is over ninety years old. She is the only one in the bunch who speaks Chinese. Her kids don't, unless they are speaking to her, and surely none of the grandkids do, all of them married to Filipinos and devout Catholics every one. I had one of my kids in the Chinese school there. Sure, they had Chinese language instruction, and I don't doubt that the instructors were capable. But their first language was Bisaya, like everybody else there, and that is the language they used in normal conversation. I see that there is a new Chinese international school in Manila, run by two American educated Chinese Filipinas. What do you bet that they speak "Tagalish", like all the rest of the Manila upper class? Another friend is the towns leading businessman, having all sorts of operations from agribiz to automotive. I used to take the overnight ship to Cebu with him and stay at his brothers home there, up on the mountain above the city. But this guy, his best friend and primary business partner is not Chinese, he is a Pinoy and son of the town's most prosperous family. Two of their kids married. I have a whole bunch of other personal examples I could cite. The point I am trying to make is that it just seems to me that Chinese culture, upon contact with an alien culture, is not especially durable, in fact it will not endure whatsoever upon contact with a place like the Philippines, and I have seen similar examples elsewhere in the region, especially in Indonesia. So will the Chinese rule the world? I don't think so. More likely they will just become another ingredient in the global melting pot. Maybe you have other ideas, and I would love to hear them. BTW, I hope Maurice comes back too. <grin> Slagle