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To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (108458)	7/17/2007 9:51:37 PM
From: Freedom Fighter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

You are saying a lot of things and making a lot of accusations, but the studies from within the church and those done by neutral outsiders like the professor in the article I posted do not support what you are saying. Nor does any of my personal experience or those of hundreds of people that I know that attended a variety of Catholic schools in NYC and elsewhere. Some of your claims are also clearly false, though they must sound great to a hate filled audience. There are a small percentage of bad priests and an even smaller number of pastors, bishops, and cardinals that were in a position to do something about their actions, but did not. Those percentages are consistent with other churches, institutions, and general society. That's the unfortunate reality. We expect more from priests, rabbis, ministers, school teachers, psychologists, day care center personnel etc... but sometimes they don't deliver I say "to hell with bad ones". However, some rotten apples does not make make an entire institution rotten regardless of whether we are talking about priests, teachers, rabbis, day care centers, psychologists, etc... And making accusations does not make them right. Studies done by neutral parties have a least some chance of being right. If you don't get that, to hell with you too. You'll never understand your prejudice or what I am saying. You are too filled with hate of the institution.

To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (108458)	7/17/2007 10:42:56 PM
From: Freedom Fighter	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 132070

And please don't ever presume to know how I would feel if I had children or what I would do if I had total authority to deal with this issue on a case by case basis. You don't know me. I can assure you I would feel exactly the same, but my way of handling most of these "individuals" would be a lot tougher than yours. The difference being I would also like to have the authority to handle the "political" enemies of several churches the same way. I want to root out all the self centered scum. And believe me, it has nothing to do with religion. Scum is scum even for an agnostic like me.

To: Skeeter Bug who wrote (108458)	7/17/2007 11:57:34 PM
From: Freedom Fighter	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 132070

Here are the age of consent laws by state if you are interested. It's 17 in NY where I live, but they almost never prosecute at 16 if there was a lasting consensual relationship. In fact, that was one of the points of contention in the infamous Joey Buttafuco case. Amy was 16 and Joey was in his 30s when their affair started, but it was considered very unusual to prosecute because they had an ongoing consensual affair past 17. Make your own value judgement and do not assume to know mine. actwin.com For the record, when I used the term "confused", I was referring to "sexually confused" as in "am I gay, straight or bisexual" not confused as in "should I do this because he's an authority figure". I thought that should have been very clear from all my prior posts where I made the same point. A legally consenting person can be sure he's homosexual or not sure he's a homosexual, but I doubt the law distinguishes between the two as long it was consensual. Why would the law care if he was "sexually" confused? I don't know if there are any special applications of the law by age if the older person was a priest. Here are some more stats: religioustolerance.org