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To: GST who wrote (2536)	7/19/2007 6:05:23 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 4152

Iran should know that we are not incapable of acting in our interests But only if the UN allows us according to the no unilateral foreign policy that you've laid down. Which practically speaking means we wouldn't be capable of acting in our interest. Can you imagine any scenario where the UN would approve of us attacking Iran? -- but attacking Iran is not in our interests so there is no reason to do so or make a big deal about this now. All the bellicose sabre rattling about Iran is the empty tough talk of those who already made a mess of Iraq. It should not be done lightly and almost any other possible solution is preferable. But there needs to be some recognition that Iran presents a security problem for the ME and the world. Iran is defying world opinion: The United Nations Security Council unanimously agreed Saturday to impose new, more stringent sanctions to press Iran to suspend uranium enrichment and rejoin negotiations over its nuclear program. .... iht.com It has called for the destruction of a member state of the UN, which is a violation of the UN charter. Voices in the government controlled press of Iran have called for the annexation of Bahrain and other Persian Gulf states. ... We destroyed Iraq and caused untold suffering to millions of people -- people who now have a very bleak future indeed. The country is hardly "destroyed". It has lots of problems but it had lots of problems during Saddam's reign too. Most of the violence now is in the Baghdad and Anbar areas. Further the current violence needs to be balanced by the apparent suffering of the Iraqi population under UN sanctions - remember the claim that 50,000 Iraqi children were dying each year due to sanctions. A tragic mistake was made in 1991 that left Saddam in power. It is undeniable that while Saddam was in captivity and awaiting trial the vast majority of Iraqis did not want him put back in power. <<<a) your desire to promise never to do anything unilateral and give the UN control of our foreign policy and b) while unilaterally pulling out of a UN approved mission, which Iraq is right now.>>> In an interdependent world, only idiots act as if nobody else matters -- as we have done in recent years. The UN is a weak institution, but it is one we can strengthen and work with to help us to navigate complex issues in an interdependent world. I recall that the Bush administration bent over backwards to try to get the UN to act. It gave Saddam last chance after last chance but never followed through on the threats it made. As for what you call our "UN approved mission" -- I must stifle a belly laugh to hear you imply that we are occupying Iraq at the behest of the UN. You shouldn't laugh. That's the fact of the situation. SECURITY COUNCIL EXTENDS MANDATE OF MULTINATIONAL FORCE IN IRAQ UNTIL 31 DECEMBER 2007, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1723 (2006) .... Responding to a request by the Iraqi Prime Minister, the Security Council today extended the mandate of the multinational force in Iraq until the end of next year, deciding that it should be reviewed at the request of that country’s Government or no later than 15 June 2007. un.org The UN recognizes that we invaded Iraq and destroyed their government The UN recognizes Iraq has a democratically elected government for the first time in its history. It called for the electoral process which produced that government. This is the opposite of destroying Iraq's government. -- making us responsible for the consequences. You say this but also call for us to shirk this responsibility. Another contradiction. .... acknowledging the profound harm we have caused to the world in which we live by our reckless, lawless and incompetent actions. Seeing Cheney in jail would help our global credibility. That is absurd. Replacing a rogue dictatorship with a democratically elected government is not a bad thing ultimately for Iraq or the region.