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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (238204)	7/29/2007 4:34:25 PM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

It's still a dodge. Could you stop dodging and answer the point? It's not about assigning blame, its about using objective judgement - REAL objective judgment. That's the only way to solve the situation. That's the only way a REAL peace process will happen. Can you use REAL objective judgement on Jenin and Nahr el Bared? Can you see the situation? Because if you can't, why should I trust your judgement on anything? 300-500 million Arabs, 1.5 million of them Israeli Arabs, don't think there should be a Jewish homeland where Israel is located. 5.5 million Israeli Jews and 3-4 million non-Israeli Jews do think there should be a Jewish homeland where Israel is located. The rest of the world doesn't really care. So let the judgment of the collective stakeholders make the decision - 300-500 million Nays against less than 10 million Yays. The rest of us, as non-stakeholders, in our "objective judgment", might as well side (to the extent that we have to choose sides) with the larger population group. When Israel chose to be a home for the Jews, and not a home for the non-Jews even if the non-Jews were born in land Israel controls, it lost its moral claim of support from the non-Jews of the world.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (238204)	7/29/2007 6:56:07 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<you dodge my question about different standards> You remind me of the pedestrian whose last words before dying were "ya, well I had the right of way". I don't dodge your question of different standards -- I say that you are wasting your breath. Israel is standing in the middle of the road and it is going to get run over -- it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. The question is, what will Israel do to obtain peace? If the answer is nothing, because Israelis no longer believe that peace is possible, then my answer to you is simple -- it has been good to know you, sorry that you couldn't stay. Without peace Israel will be destroyed -- whistle past the graveyard if you like, I don't live ther and can do little beyond pointing out the obvious. But I think it is obvious, Israel without peace is doomed. Now, if you really care about Israel, tell me about seeking peace and how to get there.