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To: michael97123 who wrote (238426)	7/31/2007 4:57:16 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

he has no answer to your question or mine. My gut says its going to be hard to have peace. My gut says that opportunities for peace show up rarely, for brief moments & at long intervals. When they do show up, it is imperative for the statesman to a) recognize them and b) seize the chance. When there is no such opportunity, the statesman must a) recognize the fact and b) not be dragged into throwing his limited assets down the toilet pursuing a mirage. He must not let either his enemies beguile him with false promises nor his own peace-loving soft-headed types pressure him into yielding up concessions that will have only negative returns.

To: michael97123 who wrote (238426)	7/31/2007 5:35:30 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

"As an American and as a Jew i feel a responsibility to always pursue it. Pursue justice and you will have peace in your heart and the possibility of peace in the nation, revolution, or death depending on the circumstance with regard to social authority.

To: michael97123 who wrote (238426)	7/31/2007 5:54:05 PM
From: GST	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

<My gut says its going to be hard to have peace> The hardest things in life do not come easy -- and I make no pretense that it will be anything like easy. On the contrary. Would you, for your part, say that Israel should only want peace if it is easy? Is "easy" the criteria you use -- yes we want peace but only if it is easy? Of course not (I hope).

To: michael97123 who wrote (238426)	7/31/2007 5:54:05 PM
From: GST	Respond to of 281500

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To: michael97123 who wrote (238426)	8/1/2007 3:47:59 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

he has no answer to your question or mine. My gut says its going to be hard to have peace. As an American and as a Jew i feel a responsibility to always pursue it. Sure, but as usual there are always competing goals. Lets see how much you want to fight for peace. Which would you pursue at the cost of the other? 1- Israel remains predominantly Jewish and maintains its various racially-religiously based right of return + land ownership + marriage + governmental support for fundamentalist Jewish study laws, or 2- Israelis gain peace as a result of giving up its Jewishness, granting Pal refugees citizenship and equality, and having the nations laws (to the greatest extent possible) have nothing to do with its citizens ethnicity or religion? I know you think #2 won't work, that's not the point. Theoretically, if #2 would work, do you prefer peace to the loss of Jewish-Israeli nationality? Or do you prefer to fight against whatever opposes it to maintain a Jewish nation state?