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To: energyplay who wrote (21442)	8/20/2007 8:53:26 AM
From: elmatador	Respond to of 218005

You guys are enjoying globalization and free trade with cheap staff all over the place and are complaining? Have you ever paid two cars and drove off with one? Well, that is what we pay in Brazil. All this nice goodies I saw there in the US, if you see in Brazil they are either of poor quality or very expensive. Globalization should proceed. Free trade is good!!

To: energyplay who wrote (21442)	8/20/2007 11:21:29 AM
From: Slagle	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 218005

Energyplay, Offshore payoffs to politicians is a real danger to everybody, here and in every country. Do you think that there is rising public awareness of this danger? I think that maybe there is, and just one single big disclosure could do wonders for this problem. Maybe some honest politician, say a Ron Paul, could make an issue of the threat. Ever since WWII there has been some "buying off" of foreign politicians, mostly as part of a cold war strategy to stymie the Soviets. Dictators like Marcos, Pinochet or Suharto have been allowed to personally dip into military and economic aid packages. But what about Gorbachev? Was it CIA "black money" that bought him his Italian villa? Or was it the banksters and the transnationals that provided the loot? If it was the later, then the same method would work with any willing pol anywhere. Slagle