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To: Lane3 who wrote (216215)	8/20/2007 11:40:05 AM
From: mph	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793851

I'm not "conflating" anything. I'm simply pointing out that if you really advocate "critical thinking", you wouldn't be so quick to draw the conclusions you post.

To: Lane3 who wrote (216215)	8/20/2007 12:55:46 PM
From: Brumar89	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 793851

..fundamentalists, who are defined by their strict commitment to some handed down religious law and those who are flexible about their tenets. I would suggest its important exactly what set of handed down religious laws one is committed to. Fundamentalist Christians are by and large Protestants who look to Jesus and Paul in the NT as their moral guides. "Fundamentalist Muslims" - Wahhabis or Salafis might be more accurate, look to Mohammed as their guide. Between Muhammed OTOH and Jesus and Paul OTO there is a very big difference. ------------------------ explore the history of Christianity and see how it has changed and become tamed, more varied, and less absolute over the centuries thus enabling the kind of liberal democracy we in the West gratefully inhabit. That gives us insights into how Islam might evolve or ways that we might prod it. Insight is a great tool to have in the toolkit. Willful ignorance is not. One of the ways Christianity changed making liberal democracy possible was to break with church tradition and have believers go back to the fundamentals - ie. the NT. There each Christian is directed to seek salvation via a individual relationship with Christ instead of the Church. When Muslims break with tradition as it has developed over the centuries and go back to their fundamentals - the Koran and Hadith - they find something very different from the NT, namely counsel on waging war against the infidels. Thus what worked for Christianity would work in opposite ways for Muslims.

To: Lane3 who wrote (216215)	8/20/2007 2:30:31 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793851

You are conflating the intra-religion variation, the one defined by the absolutism continuum, and the variations between religions. One is a variation in kind and one a variation in degree. Looking at each is useful. Conflating them is neither useful nor apt. He's not doing the conflating. CNN is doing the conflating, by calling Islamic, Jewish, and Christian "fundamentalists" "God's Warriors" as if they were operating off the same basic warrior fundamentals.