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Politics : GOPwinger Lies/Distortions/Omissions/Perversions of Truth -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (105683)	8/22/2007 12:25:45 PM
From: Kenneth E. Phillipps	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

The lawyers oath is to the court. Lawyers are sworn in before the court.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (105683)	8/22/2007 1:06:41 PM
From: JakeStraw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

In order for a person to be found guilty of perjury you must prove: the person testified under oath; at least one particular statement was false; and the person knew at the time the testimony was false. In other words, the deliberate, willful giving of false, misleading, or incomplete testimony under oath.

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (105683)	8/22/2007 2:33:04 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

Let’s review some of the posts from the other fork of your tongue: ”Well speaking for myself, i have a big problem with perjury and obstruction of justice.” Great. Bill Clinton was never charged with or convicted of anything. Definition provided by you: in any declaration, certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746 of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be true; is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United States. The facts: a judge found Clinton guilty of willfully lying in his testimony and clinton admitted it: ... Simply put, the president's deposition … was intentionally false, and his statements … likewise were intentionally false . . . ." Based on that his willful false testimony, JUDGE Susan Webber Wright expressly provided by law that, his license to practice law was suspended in Arkansas and later by the United States Supreme Court and according to law he was also fined $90,000 And Lets not forget your declaration that you don’t defend Clinton… You: Why should we take your word over Fitzgerald's Well, lets look at some of Fitzgerald’s words that you posted. And anyone who would go into a grand jury and lie, obstruct and impede the investigation has committed a serious crime. You: ”Bill Clinton was never charged with anything. Bill Clinton never made a plea bargain. Bill Clinton never admitted to breaking the law. Bill Clinton was found guilty of committing a crime, admitted what he did, and received consequences for his crime in a legal adjudication from the courts. He negotiated settlements and this is a type of bargaining to avoid further prosecution. You: Why not be straight up about this? The facts are there for all to see? Your reference: Fitzgerald said the problem was with the knowingly and intentionally part, And You: Believe me i'm not defending Clinton. He lied in a deposition And: Fitz: We need to know the truth. And anyone who would go into a grand jury and lie, obstruct and impede the investigation has committed a serious crime. … the truth is the engine of our judicial system. And if you compromise the truth, the whole process is lost. …our jobs, the criminal justice system, is to make sure people tell us the truth. And when it's a high-level official and a very sensitive investigation, it is a very, very serious matter that no one should take lightly. … telling false testimony and obstructing the investigation, that, to me, defines a serious breach of the public trust. … And finally you d’d’d’d’don’t defend Clinton, not hardly <sarcasm>

To: Steve Dietrich who wrote (105683)	8/22/2007 4:46:32 PM
From: jlallen	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

The lawyers oath is to the ABA. The American Bar Association ("ABA") is a private trade organization of lawyers whose membership is voluntary. I resigned my membership shortly after the ABA announed it would have BJ Billy as a keynote spekaer shortly following his impeachment. If you are speaking of the Arkansas Bar Association....it was not the Association but the Supreme Court of Arknasas which oversees attorney discipline which took the aciton to disbar that scumbag. In other words, you are incorrect. The oath I have taken in each state where I am admitted is sworn or affirmed to the Supreme Court of that state....which requires us all as lawyers to be scrupulously honest and ethical in our dealings with the Court and other parties and to comply with the Rules of Professional Conduct....it is an oath of office as officers of the Court similar to the oath of office BJ Billy took (and breached) when he was inaugurated. Lawyers are held to a higher standard in their dealings with parties and the Court which is why it is worse when BJ Billy engaged in his reprehensible behavior. As for the term perjury, perjury denotes a criminal offense with which Clinton was not convicted....this is true. However, what he ADMITTED to, paid fines for, settled lawsuits for, and the lengths he went to to conceal his misdeeds, including million from the US Treasury, is just as bad if not worse given the twin oaths he breached to the country and to the AR Supreme Court. You are minimizing that which can not be defended. Clinton is a confirmed scumbag. Period. J.