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To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (150560)	8/23/2007 3:07:27 PM
From: Oral Roberts	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 225578

There is a lot more going on here then animal abuse IMO. Interstate transfer and gambling come to mind. Also the manner they killed some of these animals is pretty heinous. I wouldn't feel half the distaste for the sick bastard if he had just shot them rather then electrocuting or slamming them into the ground until dead or drowning. Were this just cruelty to animals he would be dealing with a Virginia DA and looking at a fine and community service. Thats my take on it for what it's worth.

To: MulhollandDrive who wrote (150560)	8/23/2007 3:53:33 PM
From: Alan Smithee	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 225578

don't most of the people guilty of such behavior get hit with fines? I suspect federal cases involving this are few and far between. The hook had to be interstate transportation of the dogs for gambling purposes. Otherwise, I doubt there is a federal nexus. Normally, it'd be handled on a local level. That said, I think there has been a trend in recent years to give people jail time for really egregious animal abuse issues. I don't think the "private property" angle is particularly apt. My house is my private property, but I still can't commit arson and burn it down. Likewise, I think reasonable laws prohibiting animal abuse are acceptable. Whether jail time is warranted is another question entirely, particularly when you consider that a lot of jails/prisons are overcrowded and there are much more serious offenders who require incarceration. Edit: It appears the Vick indictment is titled: "Conspiracy to Travel in Interstate Commerce in Aid of Unlawful Activities and to Sponsor a Dog in Animal Fighting Venture" thesmokinggun.com It's that pesky Commerce Clause again... Double Edit: Here's one of the statutes at issue: www4.law.cornell.edu