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To: cnyndwllr who wrote (239985)	8/27/2007 3:51:26 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I wasnt banned on that thread but thats because i dont post there anymore. Been there, done that. A lot of what you say is true Ed. Although i wouldnt go to war on it, i still maintain there might have been a better outcome if there was competence in this admin. Mostly thats why i supported it. I thought those old white dudes were competent. When powell fell off the wagon and the museums were looted and especially when i saw the armories sitting unguarded I knew we were in for trouble. If there were more troops, if law and order was maintained, if the iraqi army wasnt disbanded, and if bremer didnt try to become MacArthur of arabia, we may have had a punchers chance. No i wouldnt do it now, because the odds on the good outcome might have been even money but thats not good enough to start a war.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (239985)	8/27/2007 4:04:21 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 281500

Non-sense. I speak only for my self and have often said so. None of that rant identifies my position on anything. I get banned from lefty threads for the same reasons I get banned from righty threads ... challenging the myth and propaganda of petty partisans and extremists. That says nothing about any particular group that you belong to or oppose, except that none of them would have me as a member.

To: cnyndwllr who wrote (239985)	8/27/2007 4:47:10 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (5) \| Respond to of 281500

It made for an interesting plurality at the onset, but how do you like your fellow war cheerleaders now that even the most blindly idealistic of those of you who were "liberation" proponents have awakened to the painful reality of the Middle East and the moral and, or, intellectual weakness of your pro-war allies? Ed You used to attempt to put together an argument. Now you've joined Win in the sneer club. Here I was taking a rest from hearing from you since you demanded to know what good news from Iraq was trouble for the Democrats, and I pointed out that the Anbar Awakening was a "big problem" for the Harry "The Surge has Failed" Reid. Since then even the worst Defeat-o-crats have had to admit that it may be premature to pull the plug as they had hoped to by now. The painful truth of the Mideast is that Arabs are very susceptible to the line of fanaticism preached by Al Qaeda, which after all comes straight from the Koran and Hadith and has been proselytized for 30 years by Saudi imams all over the ummah. The good news is that once Al Qaeda moves into any place, the population swiftly turns against them because they are brutal terrorists. As we see in Abar. The question of the Mideast is if the Arabs are capable of learning from the example of other places, or if every country has to feel the results of these fanatics on their own skin before they turn against them? The Iraqis have had quite enough. You won't find much support in country. The alliance with the Sunni nationalist insurgents has broken down, and the Shiites and Kurds will kill them on sight. AQI seems to be relying on Saddam's old enforcers, criminals, and imported splodeydopes. This limits their scope of action. One reason their recent mega attack was way up in the NW corner of Iraq, it's one place they can still move. They'll doubtless try a Tet in September to derail Petraeus. If an AQI super-spectacular fails to materialize in Baghdad or Diyala province, then we will really know they are back on their heels.