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To: one_less who wrote (239995)	8/28/2007 2:37:07 AM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

You insult anyone who points out what Salafis believe and the arguments they make and claim it's all "propaganda". Then when you can't just dismiss their texts, you claim that I'm saying it's the "true Islam". I don't say it's the "true" Islam or the "only" Islam and I have no reason to say it. I'm not an Islamic scholar and I know there are many schools of Islamic thought. I merely point out the obvious truth you want to hide - that this isn't the belief of some teensy minority, it's a large segment of contemporary Islam that believes this way. It includes Wahabbism, the official religion of Saudi Arabia, which Saudi money has been proselytizing all over for 30 years and more. It includes those all over the Arab world who call themselves Salafi or Takfiri Muslims. It makes the ground fertile for Zawahiri because what he says is not so different from what his listeners are accustomed to hear. They have been well prepared by their local preachers. They are also well prepared by listening to Al Jazeera, whose popular TV preacher Yusuf al Quradawi, viewed by millions every week, has already given out fatwas supporting Palestinian suicide bombers and Iraqi insurgents. One liberal Egyptian bloger called this the "curse of the Jews" - as in, once you have given the okay for suicide-terrorism against the Israelis and against Muslim Iraqis, on what grounds do you oppose it anywhere that someone can claim it's part of jihad? Millions of Saudis and other Salafis can very justifiably view Osama bin Laden as the genuine article, the guy who goes out and lives the life that others only preach from safety. All this is well known by anybody who follows current events in the Middle East. So readers will have to ask themselves why it is that you begin screeching and hurling insults everytime anyone mentions the ascendance of Salafi Islam?

To: one_less who wrote (239995)	8/28/2007 3:03:02 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Rough, perhaps you haven't noticed, but there's no need for propaganda about Islamic terrorism. Islamic terrorism is all over the place. News media are always keen to publish any significant acts of violence. You also are obviously unaware of the popular support for Moslem terrorism in England among Moslems. Polls show something like 20% are gung ho for explosives on The Tube! 20% is NOT an extremist minority. That's pretty much all young males. You can imagine that older women and men are not so gung ho for blowing up people. So, to make up the numbers, a lot of the young ones are. Since it's the young ones who actually do it, you should check your statistics. Your comments are propaganda. It's funny that you accuse Nadine of propaganda. It's more reasonable to just deal with discussion than make silly accusations. You don't make yourself right by denigrating somebody who disagrees. < billions of unreprestentative Muslims with corrupt terrorist rhetoric> Now you are getting carried away. There aren't billions. There are hundreds of millions who pretend to be Moslems. Most religions are just social clubs to show good form to those in the community who will give one a hard time if one doesn't toe the line. There aren't many true believers [thank goodness]. Mqurice