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To: ballsschweaty who wrote (68415)	9/2/2007 2:05:48 PM
From: gold$10k	Respond to of 116555

We're the fattest people in the world. By the time the healthcare system gets involved, there is no amount of pills and surgery that can reverse the damage caused by years of eating too much, drinking too much booze and not exercising enough. An ounce of prevention is definitely worth a pound of cure. Agreed. I found it interesting that in at least one of the countries with universal healthcare shown in "Sicko", doctors were given financial incentives to persuade their patients to quit smoking and live a healthier lifestyle.

To: ballsschweaty who wrote (68415)	9/2/2007 2:58:01 PM
From: damainman	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

"The U.S. has the most technologically advanced medical system in the world. The reason for the lower lifespans and unhealthy population has little to do with the healthcare system and everything to do with the unhealthy lifestyle habits of most Americans."By the time the healthcare system gets involved, there is no amount of pills and surgery that can reverse the damage caused by years of eating too much, drinking too much booze and not exercising enough. An ounce of prevention is definitely worth a pound of cure." I don't think I will ever read a post on S.I. I will agree more with than this and yet folks seem to think foreign healthcare providers are staffed by God-like superhumans.

To: ballsschweaty who wrote (68415)	9/2/2007 4:43:53 PM
From: pogohere	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 116555

The U.S. has the most technologically advanced medical system in the world. The reason for the lower lifespans and unhealthy population has little to do with the healthcare system and everything to do with the unhealthy lifestyle habits of most Americans. "This fully referenced report shows the number of people having in-hospital, adverse reactions to prescribed drugs to be 2.2 million per year. The number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections is 20 million per year. The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million per year. The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million per year. The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US. (By contrast, the number of deaths attributable to heart disease in 2001 was 699,697, while the number of deaths attributable to cancer was 553,251.5) We placed this article on our website to memorialize the failure of the American medical system. By exposing these gruesome statistics in painstaking detail, we provide a basis for competent and compassionate medical professionals to recognize the inadequacies of today’s system and at least attempt to institute meaningful reforms." lef.org

To: ballsschweaty who wrote (68415)	9/2/2007 11:52:28 PM
From: NOW	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

are Americans fat and inndulgent lazy asses? well, yes but the data simply do not support your assertion... the evidence is abundantly clear about the benefits of universal health insurance anyone who says otherwise at this point is either a liar or has not studied the issue

To: ballsschweaty who wrote (68415)	9/3/2007 12:15:28 PM
From: Dan3	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116555

Re: The reason for the lower lifespans and unhealthy population has little to do with the healthcare system and everything to do with the unhealthy lifestyle habits of most Americans. It has nothing to do with a significant proportion of the population having little or no access to health care? Don't be an idiot.

To: ballsschweaty who wrote (68415)	9/3/2007 1:07:47 PM
From: KyrosL	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116555

OT I have lived in Europe for a number of years and visit there regularly, almost every year. I think they don't live healthier lifestyles compared to average Americans, with the exception of far less stress with respect to employment and health care. Most Europeans, for example, smoke and drink more than Americans. A thin smoker is less healthy than a fat nonsmoker. Also, their environment is much more crowded and polluted than that experienced by the average American. Check out smoking rates in the big European countries compared to the US. You will be surprised: who.int I can say unequivocally from multiple personal experiences that their health care is FAR SUPERIOR than my experience in America -- and i have pretty good medical insurance in the US.