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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (240590)	9/2/2007 2:00:58 PM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Then one day a couple of years later, her eight year-old son came home from school one day and announced, "Mom, when I grow up I want to be a shahid." She promptly moved her family back to Detroit. Smart woman. en.wikipedia.org Shahid in Arabic means Witness. It is sometime misinterpreted with Shaheed which means martyr. Shahid has become names or titles of some Muslims.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (240590)	9/2/2007 2:48:01 PM
From: Geoff Altman	Respond to of 281500

Then one day a couple of years later, her eight year-old son came home from school one day and announced, "Mom, when I grow up I want to be a shahid." She promptly moved her family back to Detroit. Smart woman. She couldn't have been too smart...she moved back to DETROIT???? I visited a friend of mine there about a year ago. Seemed that the whole area was in a depression,,,except for the liquor store business was alive and well. Virtually all of the stores being owned and run by families from the ME. Someone will have to pay me to visit there again.....

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (240590)	9/2/2007 3:00:48 PM
From: Lou Weed	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

<<Second, not wanting the conflict is different from being sick and tired of it enough to exert yourself to stop it. If it went on for 40 years though they didn't want it, just imagine how long the Middle East conflict will go on, when all the neighbors except Jordan DO want the conflict.>> I see your point. Obviously the conflict provides the main underlying excuse for further animosity to the jews and the state of Israel from surrounding Arab states. Its my belief however that if you polled the majority of Palestinians (in secret without fear of reprisal) that you would be very surprised at how many want peace. This is where you and I differ. I base this on my own experience of the troubles in NI and the "behind-closed-doors" discussions that I observed. <<especially not after they get to spend a generation teaching every school child that their greatest aspiration in life should be to die killing Jews because Palestine is Arab land from the river to the sea.>> Statements like this is where you start losing a lot of people Nadine. Its your assertion that "every" Palestinian child is taught this. Have you proof of this? Have you been to a Palestinian school and seen this for yourself? If you have, then I have to lend credibility to what you say.....if not, then its just another broad sweeping generalization born of ignorance and intolerance.