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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241593)9/12/2007 4:02:06 AM
From: c.hinton  Respond to of 281500
 
Nadine ,dont be silly, of corse people dont just wake up one morning.....

you are such a zelot.....g

Differences between Jewish denominations, which are more commonly known as "movements," reflect varying responses to changing times and cultures.

The historical Jewish movements (Pharisses, Sadduccees, and Essenes) were responses to the Roman rule of Israel, while the major modern movements (Reform, Orthodox, and Conservative) are responses to the modern, secular culture of Europe and America.

Thus, while Christian denominations differ chiefly in matters of doctrine, Jewish denominations differ from one another primarily with regard to practice.

Hasidism and Kabbalah are mystical approaches to the Jewish faith. Like monasticism in Christianity and Sufism in Islam, Jewish mysticism emphasizes inward, spiritual experiences over intellectual and rational knowledge.

This section explores the major modern Jewish movements: Orthodox, Reform, Conservative, Hasidism, and Kabbalah.

Orthodox Judaism
Orthodox Judaism is the most traditional expression of modern Judaism. Orthodox Jews believe the entire Torah - including "Written," the the Pentateuch, and "Oral," the Talmud) was given to Moses by God at Sinai and remains authoritative for modern life in its entirety. According to a 1990 nationwide survey, 7 percent of American Jews are Orthodox. American and Canadian Orthodox Jews are organized under the Orthodox Union, which serves 1,000 synagogues in North America. Full article »

Reform Judaism
Reform Judaism is the most liberal expression of Judaism. In America, Reform Judaism is organized under the Union for Reform Judaism (known as the Union of American Hebrew Congregations until 2003), whose mission is "to create and sustain vibrant Jewish congregations wherever Reform Jews live." About 1.5 million Jews in 900 synagogues are members of the Union for Reform Judaism. According to 1990 survey, 42 percent of American Jews regard themselves as Reform. Full article »

Conservative Judaism
Conservative Judaism may be said to be a moderate position between Orthodox and Reform Judaism. It seeks to conserve the traditional elements of Judaism, while allowing for modernization to a less radical extent than Reform Judaism. The teachings of Zacharias Frankel (1801-75) form the foundation of Conservative Judaism. Full article »

Hasidic Judaism
Hasidic (or Chasidic) Judaism arose in 12th-century Germany as a mystical movement emphasizing asceticism and experience born out of love and humility before God. The austere religious life of these early Hasids ("pious ones") is documented in the Sefer Hasidim ("Book of the Pious"). The modern Hasidic movement was founded in Poland in the 18th century by Israel ben Eliezer, more commonly known as the Baal Shem Tov ("Master of the Good Name") or "the Besht" (an acronym for Baal Shem Tov). Full article »

Kabbalah: Jewish Mysticism
The mystical form of Judaism is Kabbalah. Broadly speaking, Kabbalah refers to Jewish mysticism dating back to the time of the second Temple. For many years a carefully guarded oral tradition, it became systematized and dispersed in the Middle Ages. The kabbalistic viewpoint was expressed most importantly in the Yalkut Re'uveni by Reuben Hoeshke in 1660, but also made its way into prayer books, popular customs and ethics. The focus of the Kabbalah is the simultaneous transcendence and immanence of God, with the latter described in terms of the sefirot, or attributes of God.

Sect
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In the sociology of religion a sect is generally a small religious or political group that has broken off from a larger group, for example from a large, well-established religious group, like a denomination, usually due to a dispute about doctrinal matters.
In its historical usage in Christendom the term has a pejorative connotation and refers to a movement committed to heretical beliefs and that often deviated from orthodox practices.[1]
A sect as used in an Indian context refers to an organized tradition.
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1 Etymology
2 Sociological definitions and descriptions
3 The concept of sect as used in an Indian context
4 Corresponding words in French, Spanish, German, Polish, Dutch, and Romanian
4.1 Meaning of the word in countries with strong Catholic traditions
5 See also
6 References
7 External links
[edit]Etymology

The word sect comes from the Latin secta (from sequire to follow), meaning (1) a course of action or way of life, (2) a behavioural code or founding principles, (3) a specific philosophical school or doctrine. Sectarius or sectilis also refer to a scission or cut, but this meaning is, in contrast to popular opinion, unrelated to the etymology of the word. A sectator is a loyal guide, adherent or follower.
[edit]Sociological definitions and descriptions

Main article: church-sect typology
There are several different sociological definitions and descriptions for the term.[2] One of the first ones to define them were Max Weber and Ernst Troeltsch (1931)[3] In the church-sect typology they are described as newly formed religious groups that form to protest elements of their parent religion (generally a denomination). Their motivation tends to be situated in accusations of apostasy or heresy in the parent denomination; they are often decrying liberal trends in denominational development and advocating a return to true religion. The American sociologists Rodney Stark and William Sims Bainbridge assert that "sects claim to be authentic purged, refurbished version of the faith from which they split".[4] They further assert that sects have, in contrast to churches, a high degree of tension with the surrounding society.[5]
Sectarianism is sometimes defined in the sociology of religion as a worldview that emphasizes the unique legitimacy of believers' creed and practices and that heightens tension with the larger society by engaging in boundary-maintaining practices.[6]
A religious or political cult, by contrast, also has a high degree of tension with the surrounding society, but its beliefs are, within the context of that society, new and innovative. Whereas the cult is able to enforce its norms and ideas against members, a sect normally doesn't strictly have "members" with definite obligations, only followers, sympathisers, supporters or believers.
Mass-based socialist, social-democratic, labor and communist parties often had their historical origin in utopian sects, and also subsequently produced many sects, which split off from the mass party. In particular, the communist parties from 1919 experienced numerous splits; some of them, it is argued, were sects from their foundation.
One of the main factors that seems to produce political sects is the rigid continued adherence to a doctrine or idea after its time has passed, or after it has ceased to have clear applicability to a changing reality.
The English sociologist Roy Wallis[7] argues that a sect is characterized by “epistemological authoritarianism”: sects possess some authoritative locus for the legitimate attribution of heresy. According to Wallis, “sects lay a claim to possess unique and privileged access to the truth or salvation and “their committed adherents typically regard all those outside the confines of the collectivity as 'in error'”. He contrasts this with a cult that he described as characterized by “epistemological individualism” by which he means that “the cult has no clear locus of final authority beyond the individual member.”[8][9]
[edit]The concept of sect as used in an Indian context

The Indologist Axel Michaels writes in his book about Hinduism that in an Indian context the word “sect does not denote a split or excluded community, but rather an organized tradition, usually established by founder with ascetic practices.” And according to Michaels, “Indian sects do not focus on heresy, since the lack of a center or a compulsory center makes this impossible – instead, the focus is on adherents and followers.”[10]
See also Hindu sects
[edit]Corresponding words in French, Spanish, German, Polish, Dutch, and Romanian

In European languages other than English the corresponding words for 'sect', such as "secte", "secta", "sekta", "sekte" or "Sekte", are used sometimes to refer to a harmful religious or political sect, similar to how English-speakers popularly use the word 'cult'. In France, since the 1970's, "secte" has a specific meaning, which is very different of the english word [11] .
[edit]Meaning of the word in countries with strong Catholic traditions
In Latin America, it is often applied by Roman Catholics to any non-Roman Catholic religious group, regardless of size, often with the same negative connotation that 'cult' has in English, in turn some Latin American Protestants refer to groups such as Jehovah WitnessesSP, Mormons, etc, as sects. Similarly, in some European countries where Protestantism has never gained much popularity Orthodox churches (both Greek and Roman) often depict Protestant groups (especially smaller ones) as sects. This can be observed, among others, in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Poland.

[edit]Self interpretation

Often teachers of religion (preachers, monks, rabbis) make a claim that their religions are not religions at all —rather are "Way of Life," a "Reality," or "The Truth." From the point of view of another religion's aherents, claims like this are often seen to be diametrically opposed to their own teaching and belief. A Taoist who says for example that "Tao is not a religion, rather is a way of life" may find a very different view from a Christian minister, or a Hindu priest.
The typical claim then, is: 'Despite what another religion may claim, our truth is the real truth, or closer to the real truth. namely "God." Hence a claim, by one religion's adherents that its truth is greater than the other. The irony is obvious: While each tradition aspires to appear as close to an essential truth —one which transcends material concerns and perceptual appearances, each will have adherents who maintain very localized and material concerns for its own traditional symbols and language. Logically then, it is only by these localized views that one religion's adherents may see others as inferior.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241593)9/12/2007 4:48:49 AM
From: c.hinton  Respond to of 281500
 
Re burning at the stake....with you holding the match.

ps are you an islamic scholar?

please support you declaretion that the are not open to interpretation



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241593)9/12/2007 4:50:21 AM
From: c.hinton  Respond to of 281500
 
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Since the 19th century, Muslim progressives have produced a considerable body of liberal thoughts within Islam (in Arabic: ??????? ????????? or "interpretation-based Islam"; also ??????? ??????? or "progressive Islam" - but some consider progressive Islam and liberal Islam as two distinct movements [1]). These have in common a religious outlook which depends mainly on ijtihad or re-interpretations of scriptures. Liberal Muslims do not necessarily subscribe to the traditional Muslim interpretations of the Qur'an and Hadith. Liberal Muslims generally claim that they are returning to the principles of the early Muslim community and to the ethical and pluralistic intent of their scripture. The reform movement uses monotheism (tawhid) "as an organizing principle for human society and the basis of religious knowledge, history, metaphysics, aesthetics, and ethics, as well as social, economic and world order."[1]
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1 Reform, not schism
2 Central tenets
3 Contemporary and controversial Issues
3.1 Ijtihad (re-interpretation of scriptures)
3.2 Human rights
3.3 Feminism
3.4 Secularism
3.5 Tolerance and non-violence
3.6 Reliance on secular scholarship
4 Islam and Anarchism
5 Qur'an only
6 In North America
7 In Russia and CIS
8 References
9 See also
9.1 Thinkers and Activists
9.2 Ideologies and Institutions
10 External links
[edit]Reform, not schism

These are movements within Islam, rather than an attempt at schism. As such, they believe in the basic tenets of Islam, such as the Six Elements of Belief and the Five Pillars of Islam. They consider their views to be fully compatible with the teachings of Islam. Their main difference with more conservative Islamic opinion is in differences of interpretation of how to apply the core Islamic values to modern life.
The liberal Muslim's focus on individual interpretation and ethics, rather than on the literal word of scripture, may have an antecedent in the Sufi tradition of Islamic mysticism.
However, this reformist approach has led liberal Muslims to adjust or qualify their criticism of various acts by extremist Muslims, including terrorism. Such faint or qualified criticisms have frequently been attacked by western critics, especially those who assert that there is a so called "clash of civilizations".
[edit]Central tenets

Several generally accepted tenets have emerged:
The autonomy of the individual in interpreting the Quran and Hadith
A more critical and diverse examination of religious texts, as well as traditional Islamic precedents
Complete gender equality in all aspects, including ritual prayer and observance.
A more open view on modern culture in relation to customs, dress, and common practices
In addition to use of Ijtihad (or re-interpretation of scriptures), the use of the Islamic concept of fitrah, or the natural sense of right and wrong, is advocated.
[edit]Contemporary and controversial Issues

Over the course of the 19th and 20th centuries, in accordance with their increasingly modern societies and outlooks, liberal Muslims have tended to reinterpret many aspects of their religion. This is particularly true of Muslims who now find themselves living in non-Muslim countries. Such people may describe themselves variously as liberal, progressive or reformist; but rather than implying a specific agenda, these terms tend to incorporate a broad spectrum of views which contest conservative, traditional interpretations of Islam in many different ways. Although there is no full consensus amongst liberal Muslims on their views, they tend to agree on some or all of the following beliefs:
[edit]Ijtihad (re-interpretation of scriptures)
This means that liberal Muslims often drop traditional interpretations of the Qur'an which they find too conservative, preferring instead readings which are more adaptable to modern society (see ijtihad). Most liberal Muslims reject derivation of Islamic laws from literal readings of single Qur'anic verses. They generally claim that a holistic view which takes into account the 7th century Arabian cultural context negates such literal interpretations.
The reliability and applicability of Hadith literature is questioned by liberals, as much of traditional Islamic law derives from it rather than Quranic text because there are immense gaps in legal and family issues.
[edit]Human rights
Most liberal Muslims believe that Islam promotes the notion of absolute equality of all humanity, and that it is one of its central concepts. Human rights is thus a major concern for most liberals. Many Muslim majority countries have signed international human rights treaties, but the impact of these largely remains to be seen in local legal systems.
[edit]Feminism
The place of women in Islam, traditional gender roles in Islam and Islamic feminism are likewise major issues. For this reason, liberal Muslims are often critical of traditional Islamic law interpretations which allow polygamy for men but not women, as well as the traditional Islamic law of inheritance under which daughters receive less than sons. It is also accepted by most liberal Muslims that a woman may lead the state, and that women should not be segregated from men in society or in mosques. Some liberal Muslims accept that a woman may lead a mixed group in prayers, despite the custom for women to pray behind or in a separate space. However, this issue remains controversial; see women as imams. Some Muslim feminists are also opposed to the traditional dress requirements for women (commonly called hijab), claiming that any modest clothing is sufficiently Islamic for both men and women. However, other Muslim feminists embrace hijab, pointing out its tendency to de-sexualize women and therefore assist them in being treated less as an object and more as a person. Furthermore, some Muslim feminists prefer to wear the hijab as an obvious sign that they are indeed Muslim, while also feminists.
[edit]Secularism
Main article: Secularism in The Middle East
Some liberal Muslims favor the idea of modern secular democracy with separation of church and state, and thus oppose Islam as a political movement.
The existence or applicability of Islamic law is questioned by many liberals. Their argument often involves variants of the Mu'tazili theory that the Qur'an is created by God for the particular circumstances of the early Muslim community, and reason must be used to apply it to new contexts.
[edit]Tolerance and non-violence
Tolerance is another key tenet of Liberal Muslims, who are generally more open to interfaith dialogue and conflict resolution with such communities as the Jews, Christians, Hindus, and the numerous factions within Islam.
Liberal Muslims are more likely to reflect the idea of jihad in terms of the widely accepted "internal spiritual struggle" rather than an "armed struggle." The ideals of non-violence are prevalent in Liberal Muslim ideology and backed by Qu'ranic text; "permission to fight is given only to those who have been oppressed... who have been driven from their homes for saying,'God is our Lord'" (22:39)
[edit]Reliance on secular scholarship
Liberal Muslims tend to be skeptical about the validity of Islamization of knowledge (including Islamic economics, Islamic science, Islamic history and Islamic philosophy) as separate from mainstream fields of inquiry. This is usually due to the often secular outlook of Muslim liberals, which makes them more disposed to trust mainstream secular scholarship. They may also regard the propagation of these fields as merely a propaganda move by Muslim conservatives [2].
Liberals are also less likely to treat Qur'anic narratives of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jesus and other prophets of Islam as historical fact. Instead, liberals sometimes view these as moral stories (or mythology) meant to reinforce the ethical message of Islam. Such liberals accept scientific ideas such as evolution and the results of secular history and archaeology rather than stories from scripture.
[edit]Islam and Anarchism

Main article: Islam and anarchism
[edit]Qur'an only

Main article: Qur'an alone
Qur'an only Muslims, or sometimes anti-hadith Muslims, have a very critical view of hadith and generally do not accept hadiths as an authentic and/or reliable source. The Qur'an is given precedence or in some cases Hadith is all together rejected. In both cases, the lack of reliance on hadiths permits re-interpretation of Qur'anic verses, generally towards a more liberal point of view. Criticisms of this approach relay the popular Muslim belief that Hadith is in essence the purist interpretations of the Qur'anic text.

[edit]In North America

See Progressive Muslim Union, Muslim Canadian Congress, Canadian Muslim Union and ProgressiveIslam.Org, ForPeopleWhoThink.org
[edit]In Russia and CIS

See Jadidism, Ittifaq al-Muslimin.
[edit]References

Qur'an and Woman by Amina Wadud.
American Muslims: Bridging Faith and Freedom by M. A. Muqtedar Khan.
Liberal Islam: A Sourcebook Edited by Charles Kurzman.
Progressive Muslims: On Justice, Gender, and Pluralism edited by Omid Safi.
Qur'an, Liberation and Pluralism by Farid Esack.
Revival and Reform in Islam by Fazlur Rahman.
The Unthought in Contemporary Islamic Thought, by Mohammed Arkoun.
Unveiling Traditions: Postcolonial Islam in a Polycentric World by Anouar Majid.
Islam and Science: Religious Orthodoxy and the Battle for Rationality by Pervez Hoodbhoy
The Viability of Islamic Science by S. Irfan Habib, Economic and Political Weekly, June 05, 2004.
[edit]See also

Divisions of Islam
Islamic feminism
Islam
Islam Hadhari
Criticism of Islam
[edit]Thinkers and Activists
Mohammad Khatami
Shirin Ebadi
Muhammad Ali of Egypt
Tahir Abbas
Khaled Abou Al-Fadl
Alireza Alavitabar
Mohammed Abed Al-Jabri
Ayaan Hirsi Ali
Mehdi Bazargan
Luthfi Assyaukanie
Ahmad Ghabel
Ghulam Ahmed Pervez
Syed Ahmed Khan
Rashad Khalifa
Muhammad Ali Jinnah
Dr Shabbir Ahmed
Mohsen Kadivar
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad
Edip Yuksel
M. A. Muqtedar Khan
Fazlur Rahman
Ziauddin Sardar
Abdolkarim Soroush
Mohammad Mojtahed Shabestari
Yousef Sanei
Ali Shariati
Abdullahi Ahmed An-Na'im
Irfan Habib
Javed Ahmed Ghamdi
Pervez Hoodbhoy
Reza Aslan
Xadir Diaye
Mostafa Malekian
Irshad Manji
Raquel Evita Saraswati
Mahmoud Taleghani
Mahmoud Mohamed Taha
Bassam Tibi
Amina Wadud
Javed Ali User A Thinker
Rashid Shaz
[edit]Ideologies and Institutions
Modern Islamic philosophy
FutureIslam.com!
Liberal Islam Network
Woman imam
Al-Fatiha Foundation
99 Precepts
Qur'an alone Islam
Committee for the Defense of Legitimate Rights



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241593)9/12/2007 6:45:46 AM
From: SARMAN  Respond to of 281500
 
So, you are saying it takes years, decades or centuries. Ah Nadine, give it another 6 month. LOL
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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241593)9/12/2007 7:02:47 AM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 281500
 
"Rubbish. People don't wake up one morning and overturn their received theology,

Some theological systems are open to interpretation, but others are literal-minded."

Orthodox are literal, Reformed are open to interpretation.

Denominations of Judaism: Jewish movements, often referred to as denominations, branches or sects of Judaism, differ from each other in some beliefs and thus in the way they observe Judaism. Differences between Jewish movements, in contrast to differences between Christian denominations, derive from interpreting Jewish scriptures in more progressive/liberal or more traditional/conservative ways rather then from theological differences.
1. Orthodox Judaism:
Orthodox Jews believe that God gave Moses the whole Torah (Written and Oral) at Mount Sinai. Orthodox Jews believe that the Torah contains 613 mitzvot (commandments) that are binding upon Jews. Modern Orthodox Jews strictly observe halakhah (Jewish Law), but still integrate into modern society. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, which includes Chasidic Jews, strictly observe Jewish laws and do not integrate into modern society by dressing distinctively and living separately.
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2. Conservative Judaism:
Conservative Judaism maintains that the ideas in the Torah come from God, but were transmitted by humans and contain a human compontent. Conservative Judaism generally accepts the binding nature of halakhah (Jewish Law), but believes that the Law should adapt, absorbing aspects of the predominant culture while remaining true to Judaism's values.

3. Reform Judaism:
Reform Judaism believes that the Torah was written by different human sources, rather than by God, and then later combined. While Reform Judaism does not accept the binding nature of halakhah (Jewish Law), the movement does retain much of the values and ethics of Judaism as well as some of the practices and culture.
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4. Reconstructionist Judaism:
Reconstructionists believe that Judaism is an "evolving religious civilization." In one way it is more liberal than Reform Judaism - the movement does not believe in a personified deity that is active in history and does not believe that God chose the Jewish people. In another way Reconstructionist Judaism is less liberal than Reform Judaism - Reconstructionists may observe Jewish Law, not because it is a binding Law from God, but because it is a valuable cultural remnant.
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5. Humanistic Judaism:
Humanistic Judaism, founded in 1963 in Detroit, Michigan by Rabbi Sherwin T. Wine, offers a nontheistic alternative in contemporary Jewish life. Humanistic Jews believe in creating a meaningful Jewish lifestyle free from supernatural authority, in achieving dignity and self-esteem, and in reviving the secular roots of Judaism. Humanistic Judaism embraces a human-centered philosophy that combines the celebration of Jewish culture and identity with adherence to humanistic values.
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judaism.about.com

Orthodox/ultra O perceive the religion and its rules a lot differently than I do. If I went to Israel, they would stone me on Sabbath for driving. Not get me stoned, stone me...

There is no ban in Israel on the driving of private cars on the Sabbath, but haredi Jews, in an effort to enforce the religious prohibitions of the Sabbath, have periodically clashed with local authorities and drivers by demanding the closure to automobile traffic of public thoroughfares that pass near or through their enclaves on the holy day of rest. This has occasionally led to violent demonstrations, stone-throwing, and mass protests by Orthodox Jews against "desecration of the Sabbath." Although most of these demonstrations ultimately have led to the limitation or eventual halt of the flow of traffic on these thoroughfares during the Sabbath, the protests have also led to increased tensions between Orthodox and secular Israelis and often hostile debates about religious coercion in Israeli society.

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(Some wise person will have to tell me why driving is work, but throwing rocks isn't; these are people who won't even flip light switches or light a fire on Sabbath).

If my sister-in-law moved to Israel, neither she nor the kids would be considered Jewish. The rabbi who converted her was Conservative, not Orthodox.

en.wikipedia.org
itim.org.il
ynetnews.com

And, the Ultra Orthodox, or, as they are known in Yiddish, Chickenhawks, believe thay can emulate da Shrub by talking to God, which makes them special, which makes them draft exempt...

About 25 percent of eligible Israeli male draftees do not serve -- more than double that of 1980. Of those not serving, almost half are legally exempt as ultra-Orthodox Jews.
nctimes.com

There does seem to be a difference between the way any congregation I've ever been a member of or worshipped with, and the Chickenhawks, view Judaism. But we probably feel the same way about each other. I'll throw stones right back. Get them stoned, too, but that would rock their world too much.



To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (241593)9/12/2007 9:41:54 AM
From: michael97123  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
Do you have any idea what really is going on between israel and syria? In todays NYT there were two articles about the area--one about the attack on the israeli barracks. The article(s) intimated that something big might be going on the syria side so israel was not responding in any major way in gaza. They talked about North Korean nuclear material remnants being landed in syria. Also iran nukes become more of an effective threat to israel if they end up in syria also. Syrians have not said what israelis hit if anything and either have israelis.