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To: Brumar89 who wrote (352421)	9/28/2007 2:39:24 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574028

We're "arbitrary" because we don't want countries invaded, shipping shut down, and madmen with nukes? So be it. Pullleaze........I am not buying that spin so what makes you think the rest of the world is. Its not spin that Saddam invaded two neighboring countries. Its fact. And its not spin that he was contained and prevented from invading countries again. Its fact. Its not spin that Iran tried to shut down shipping during the Iran-Iraq war. And its not spin that Iran is ruled by medieval theocratic madmen and is developing nuclear weapons. And its not spin that we strongly supported a rightwing, dictatorial Shah who tortured and killed his people. Its fact. Apparently you approve of all these things and think we should acopt a policy of weak appeasement toward them. Nuts. The last thing this world needs is the neocon's bullheaded machismo. What you guys call appeasement, the rest of the world considers to be good foreign dimplomacy. You're wrong to say the rest of the world wants America to appease regimes like Iraq's and Iran's. Much of the world is counting on us doing the dirty work of preventing them from messing things up. I don't think so......a post from a European: Message 23917445 We've got nearly everybody and their brother....including our allies....telling us to chill. Where the hell have you been? -------------------------------- They defended themselves by forming a country and army (which was illegal during the British mandate btw) which you would have wanted to prevent leaving them free to be massacred. So then you admit they were not defenseless....so you made the statement up above hoping that I would not know they could have defended themselves, didn't you. The point you're missing is they were able to defend themselves because things didn't happen as you wished. Had there not been a state and army but just unarmed civilians, they would have been slaughtered when the Brits pulled out. When are you going to get your facts straight??? They were never, innocent unarmed civilians. Starting in the 1920s, the Palestinians were on the losing end of most skirmishes between the two groups. If there were any innocents, it was the Palestinians, not the Zionists. The Zionists were sophisticated people from Europe.....the Palestinians were mostly farmers and ranchers. ------------------------------- But we didn't invade to steal any oil or get anything surreptiously. There are ways of taking another country's commodity without outright stealing. Yes, buy it on an open market. Which is what we do, contrary to leftist propaganda. No. Try again. Yes, the fear Saddam would develop nukes was real. Pollack, a Clinton era CIA guy, said Saddam would develop them soon. Its what convinced me to support the war. If that was the fear, why didn't Bush let the weapons inspectors do their job? Because they'd been trying unsuccessfully to do their job for 12 years. By 1998, they had accounted for 95% of the weaponry. They were closing in on the remaining 5% when Bush told them to leave the country. Any more lies you want me to refute? If he was sure Saddam was into the nukes, why did Bush announce they Saddam had bought yellow cake uranium when both American and Brit. intel told him it was bogus? Bush didn't announce Saddam had bought yellow cake, he said they'd tried to buy it. Which was true - unless you think the Iraqi trade delegation to Niger was after more dates and camels. Joe Wilson, a Republican, was sent to Niger to verify that info. He never was able to verify it. But it made a great soundbite and helped freak out Americans, encouraging them to go to war....but you see nothing wrong in that. In fact, Bush and Cheney worked very hard to convince a reluctant America to go to war. So did the Clinton administraton. So did Kenneth Pollack, who'd worked in that administration. Not to mention "Slam Dunk" George Tenet. Nope. No one worked as hard as Cheney/Bush. Its disgusting how badly they wanted to go to war. It makes me sick! What phony tactics. You have said Osama and al Qaida have legitimate greivances against us and attacked us because we were in the wrong. Excuse me. Show me where I said that. What I have said is that you stick your nose in a beehive, you get stung. Is that simplistic enough of an image for you to understand.