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To: one_less who wrote (243412)	9/28/2007 5:22:43 PM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

The discussion you and c2 are bolstering is an attempt to implicate all Muslims as co-conspirators with the most heinous acts imaginable. No, gem, as I have explained before and as I will again repeat, I fully understand that there are many kinds of Muslims, and that they vary considerably in the intensity of their devotion and the extent to which they adopt fundamentalist beliefs. I know this and I accept it, but you refuse to read my words. Examples abound, the slacker Indonesian Muslim cannot be compared to the fiery member of the Taliban. Please do not misrepresent what I say. That certainly sounds religiously based and I wont presume to speak for all of Christiandom but I'm pretty sure JC never said anything like that. You need to unravel that knot for yourself. Jesus said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's." Although the discussion was literally only about taxes, in my estimation it is the basis for the separation of church and State, a cornerstone of modern liberal societies.

To: one_less who wrote (243412)	9/30/2007 9:14:55 PM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Gem, while I respect you in many ways, the attitudes you express about the anti social crimes of the muslim world is not adding to it. As an apologist for the heinous crimes of the Muslim world you help provide cover for those who refuse to condemn their own. I do condemn the escalating levels of sexual perversion expressed by secular Hallywood, which not too oddly the rest of the world mistakes for Christian American values. I condemn violent crime and the recent spate of bizarre school crimes caused by doves passing laws prohibiting legally licensed people from carrying fire arms on campuses. I condemn the social disfunction caused by the images broadcast daily by the secular media. But again, you are pointing to secular caused problems and blaming it on Christians. So are you trying to say that the islamic imperialism is really caused by secular Arabs and that they are misrepresented by the media as muslims. Please defend this assertion rather than just making it. You accuse me of bigotry for expecting the same level of decency from others as I expect from myself, from those who I choose to associate with and from those who represent our society. What you ignore is that while there MAY be mature muslims, the image the religion allows to be presented is one of inhumane butchery. Even Al Sharpton occasionally condemns some African Americans; this adds infinitely to his credibility when he defends others. All muslims have to do is condemn the heinous acts and cast the perpetrators out so they can receive justice and they will change they image they present. It is a PR reality. Or are you also claiming that the muslim outrage is being suppressed in the Western media?