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To: Brumar89 who wrote (352904)	10/1/2007 3:47:29 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574098

We're "arbitrary" because we don't want countries invaded, shipping shut down, and madmen with nukes? So be it. Pullleaze........I am not buying that spin so what makes you think the rest of the world is. Its not spin that Saddam invaded two neighboring countries. Its fact. And its not spin that he was contained and prevented from invading countries again. Its fact. He was contained and prevented from invading other countries but that containment and prevention involved US troops in Kuwait and SA and the whole Muslim world believing we were killing 50K Iraqi babies every year. You have previously argued our troops in SA were an unconsciouable provocation that offended the Muslim world and produced terrorism, yet now you are citing the containment of Saddam (which included our troop presence) as a good thing which made the removal of Saddam unnecessary. You don't mind contradicting your own positions do you or do you realize that you have? the troops in Kuwait were a fraction of what they are now.......and so were the costs. 50K Iraqi babies? First I've heard that one. *I am not contradicting myself.....SA is Mecca to the Muslims. They see having troops on Mecca soil as an abomination. Not the same with Kuwait.....in fact, many Arabs hate the Kuwaitis because of their uppity ways. ------------------------------------------------- You're wrong to say the rest of the world wants America to appease regimes like Iraq's and Iran's. Much of the world is counting on us doing the dirty work of preventing them from messing things up. I don't think so......a post from a European: Message 23917445 One opinion counts for the world if it supports liberal opinion. Canada, Germany, and France have elected governments recently that are pretty friendly with the Bush administration. Maybe anti-Americanism isn't all the rage you wish for. There has been poll after poll that clearly shows the degradation of the American image throughout the world. As for the three countries you cite, they elected conservatives; not neocons...with the possible exception of Sarkozy. And mark my words, if Sarkozy continues on his present course, the French will hate him just as much as the Americans hate Bush. ---------------------------------- When are you going to get your facts straight??? They were never, innocent unarmed civilians. Starting in the 1920s, the Palestinians were on the losing end of most skirmishes between the two groups. If there were any innocents, it was the Palestinians, not the Zionists. The Zionists were sophisticated people from Europe.....the Palestinians were mostly farmers and ranchers. That isn't factual. Arabs wiped out the centuries old Hebron Jewish community. A number of other Jewish communities were wiped out or driven out. The Jewish population of Jerusalem was almost cut off and put in danger of destruction. A number of villages in Galilee that had held a Jewish peasant population which had never left Palestine were driven out of their homes by Arab violence. Link please. You argue Jews shouldn't have formed a state and then claim they would have been able to defend themselves without a state and army of their own. The Arab population would never have allowed a single Jew to live in Palestine if the Jews hadn't made their own state and army. How many Jews did Jordan allow to remain in the Arab portion of Palestine? None. Again, I remind you of the 1948 war. Because they'd been trying unsuccessfully to do their job for 12 years. By 1998, they had accounted for 95% of the weaponry. Not according to the Clinton administration, which bombed Iraq in 1998 and tried to go to war with Iraq that year. Which is why the Clintons and Clinton era intelligence officials like Tenet and Pollack supported the war. The weapons inpectors' reports are a matter of public record. --------------------------------------- Wilson isn't a Republican. Nor is his wife.* Maybe not now but they once were. There are a lot of FORMER Republicans.....understandably. He was sent to Niger on a boondoggle which accomplished nothing except confirming that Iraq had sent a trade mission to Niger (which has uranium, camels, and dates and thats about it to sell). Think Iraq was shopping for dates and camels? Its Cheney's boondaggle. ------------------------- In fact, Bush and Cheney worked very hard to convince a reluctant America to go to war. So did the Clinton administraton. So did Kenneth Pollack, who'd worked in that administration. Not to mention "Slam Dunk" George Tenet. Nope. No one worked as hard as Cheney/Bush. Its disgusting how badly they wanted to go to war. It makes me sick! You're a partisan looking for excuses for your pathological hostilities. Tenet and Pollack pushed hard for the war. Pollack's book convinced me. Hardly. If you are not partisan, you don't have to look far to find things to hate about Bush. I am proud to say I disliked Bush on the campaign trail and voted for Gore. After he got elected, I grew to hate him. ---------------------------------- What phony tactics. You have said Osama and al Qaida have legitimate greivances against us and attacked us because we were in the wrong. Excuse me. Show me where I said that. What I have said is that you stick your nose in a beehive, you get stung. Is that simplistic enough of an image for you to understand. In plenty of past posts, you said we shouldn't have had troops in SA and that our presence there was a provocation against he whole Muslim world. That we shouldn't have let Israel come into existence. That we shouldn't have intervened when Saddam invaded Kuwait and that the Arab world hated us for that intervention. You've presented everything we've ever done in the ME as wrong and as a provocation. Why back away from your positions now? We made a lot of mistakes in the ME. The only way you learn is to identify your mistakes and not make them again.