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To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (243798)	10/3/2007 5:51:45 AM
From: Elroy	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Iran has no intrinsic need to hate the USA Yes they do. They say so all the time, esp. the Mullahs. They hate us because we are the Great Satan. No, you're quoting the leadership's party line and pretending that it speaks for the Iranian population. Explain why a 20 year old Iranian kid or 30 year Iranian mother or 50 year old Iranian Kurdish farmer has to hate the USA. They don't - I know that, and you should know that. French and Germans are friendly, French and English are friendly, the USA's greatest ally is England. All these different sides have been at war with each other at some point in their histories. If French and German populations can get over WW2, the US can get over some Iranian unloved political establishment saying "Death to America" at the end of their session. To claim that there is something inherent in the Iranian cultural makeup that necessitates hatred for the USA, while producing no such hatred for Russia, China, Brazil, Australia, or Japan, is pretty stupid. Try again, you can do better than that! How do all these Iranian immigrants to the USA lose this intrinsic US hatred? Is it attached to an Iranian passport which they forfeit when they immigrate? They have no intrinsic need to destabilize Iraq either. A Shia dominated Iraq would be a fine neighbor for them, far better than Saddam. But they hate us too much. So they train the Mahdi army to kill Americans and arm them with shaped charges. It's great that you bring up Iraq. Part of my plan to ally the US with Iran could include handing over to them the primary responsibility for stabilizing Iraq. They make a lot more sense than us as a stabilizing force - they're the neighbors, and are the same religious faction as ~65% of Iraqis. Both Iran and Iraq seem to want our involvement in the region minimalized, which is probably for the best since the various sectarian battles in the region are compltely foreign to an open multi-cultural society like ours. The US could simultaneously extricate itself from Iraq and ally itself with the party which will likely have the greatest influence in Iraqi affairs.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (243798)	10/3/2007 10:48:51 AM
From: Peter Dierks	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Iran has no intrinsic need to hate the USA "Yes they do. They say so all the time, esp. the Mullahs. " Iran does not hate America. The theocratic leadership promotes hatred for America as part of their efforts to redirect frustration over Iran's leadership failure. The people of the country are still quite fond of America. Like every propaganda campaign, over time it influences opinions. If current leadership is allowed to continue, the threat to civilized society posed by Iran will increase.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (243798)	10/3/2007 11:38:16 AM
From: Don Hurst	Respond to of 281500

>>" But they hate us too much. So they train the Mahdi army to kill Americans and arm them with shaped charges. "<< Well let's see now...according to Rick Atkinson, WAPO IED series reporter, on Charlie Rose this Monday (you say you saw the program) there are on average over 100 IED occurrences in Iraq each and every day. Three (3) percent are "shaped charges", ie three as in 3. Ninety seven (97) percent are not "shaped charges". Apparently those 3% "shaped charges" do require the machining capabilities that Iran possesses and therefore it is assumed that they are coming from Iran. Amazing, the other 97% not "shaped charges" are coming from Iraq itself. Ok 3% of these IEDs are deadly as are the other 97% and whoever in Iran who is doing this should stop or better yet the troops should come home and the Iranians can use their "shaped charges" on AQ in Iraq who hates the Iranians and has threatened Iran with the "mother of all wars". Now that is quite ironic, isn't it...if we bomb and smash Iran we will be doing AQ in Iraq's biding! Ok, now for some perspective... During the 80's we armed and trained the mujahadeen in Afghanistan (you remember them, don't you?...they later repaid us by the 9/11 attacks) so they could efficiently kill Russians. We even gave those crazies STINGERS. Now I am trying to recall those times...Did the Russians threaten to bomb and smash us for our support of the killers of their soldiers who were somewhere they should not have been? Did the Russian Duma declare the CIA a world-wide terrorist organization and if they had surely we would have told them that they were nuts and could stick it up their a$$. My gosh, what goes around, comes around.

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (243798)	10/3/2007 1:24:00 PM
From: Lou Weed	Respond to of 281500

<<They hate us because we are the Great Satan.>> Still busy spreading your fear and hatred Nadine..... The night is black Without a moon The air is thick and still The vigilantes gather on The lonely torch lit hill Features distorted in the flickering light The faces are twisted and grotesque Silent and stern in the sweltering night The mob moves like demons possessed Quiet in conscience, calm in their right Confident their ways are best The righteous rise With burning eyes Of hatred and ill-will Madmen fed on fear and lies To beat and burn and kill They say there are strangers who threaten us In our immigrants and infidels They say there is strangeness too dangerous In our theaters and bookstore shelves That those who know what's best for us Must rise and save us from ourselves Quick to judge Quick to anger Slow to understand Ignorance and prejudice And fear walk hand in hand... Rush......Witch Hunt (Part III of Fear) 1981

To: Nadine Carroll who wrote (243798)	10/3/2007 3:29:29 PM
From: Garden Rose	Respond to of 281500

Nadine, Iran has far more legit reasons to hate us than us to hate them. After all, the U.S. instigated a coup of their "DEMORCRATICALLY" elected government ----- I'll say it again, the United States deposed the "DEMOCRATICALY" elected gov't of Iran in 1953. And the US replaced the Iranian 'DEMOCRATICALLY" elected gov't with a tyrant/dictator, the Shaw. Many, many Iranians remember suffering under the yoke of this American puppet who was cruel and vicious and squandered the resources of Iran - AND THAT'S WHY THEY HATE US. If we removed Olmert in Israel and replaced him with a dictator favorable to the US, and oppressed the Israelis, I think most of the Israelis would hate the U.S. Therefore, let bygones be bygones, let's kiss and make up with Iran, after all they have a right to hold a grudge and instead, are offering an olive branch.